Southwest to Add In PIT

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Problem is when you just duck your tail between your legs and run-

"Project High Ground" is still in progress.

 

[debbieb]

Headline: "jetBlue Looking For Local 'Signs of Life'"
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburgh...s/s_495910.html
Headline: "jetBlue Lags at Pittsburgh"
http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?n...78569&rfi=6

Those articles are over 6 months old.

I heard that 10 of 12 airlines at PIT are doing well. We know US is one that isn't, what is the other?

 

[Itestwell]

Now does anything else need to be said?

Yes. Pittsburgh is done. Seems like that needs to be said. Again.

Airtran is adding service to Fla, don't we still have Fla nonstops outta PIT?

And Myrtle Beach Direct Air....... Huh?

I know, I know.... the PIT pulldown is strictly personal.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Those articles are over 6 months old.

I heard that 10 of 12 airlines at PIT are doing well. We know US is one that isn't, what is the other?

Jet Blue is crying because the people of PIT are still staying with US out of PIT for whatever reason---be it loyalty---frequent flyer program---better scheduling-----

And don't be fooled by Dougweiser's statements about PIT not doing well----it is flat out lies-----US is choosing to not do well by the actions they take every time they pull down flights that are full and oversold with originating traffic------

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Yes. Pittsburgh is done. Seems like that needs to be said. Again.

Airtran is adding service to Fla, don't we still have Fla nonstops outta PIT?

And Myrtle Beach Direct Air....... Huh?

I know, I know.... the PIT pulldown is strictly personal.

The Florida service is cut down to basically nothing----Just 2 MCO flights a day and 1 FLL flight---that's hardly service----there obviously is a market...or the other airlines would not sit there licking their chops waiting for US to hand them the market---

read again:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07261/818378-28.stm

"Our story is good," Mr. Kelly said. "We are only thinking about growing here. Certainly to the extent our competitors drop service that just accelerates our growth opportunity."

And the comments made by Direct Air go something like this

We were absolutely shocked at the level of demand for MYR out of PIT-----they are not only making their service to MYR daily---they are also putting bigger a/c on the route and adding service to SRQ..

Hardly sounds like a market with no O & D traffic to me----

So say what you like----

Dougweiser and Company are flat out lying---PERIOD

And as far as being personal---how about just plain stupid---that's more like it

 

[Travels2mch]

These people never cease to amaze me......they absolutely want to see PIT fail. US doesn't want it, and they begrudge anyone else that gets it. Yes dougweiser and his pack of goons fill the airwaves with lies, and it's too funny how some idiots believe it. Oh well, I guess there is a lot off Kool Aide being drunk (pardon the pun). Someone should do a study on the bugs up certain a$$es on here about PIT. They are a therapist's future BMW.

 

[PHX PHLyer]

Ok, so they would pull out of PIT even though it is profitable as you all say, but then they would lie and tell everyone that it is unprofitable just so they can pull out of a money-making market. Because its something personal? Something tells me the board wouldn't be too happy about this

Doesn't sound like lies to me....sounds a lot more like denial on the part of the people posting here.

PIT is exactly the kind of market that WN would do well in but others wouldn't necessarily pull off. There is enough local demand for WN and its low fares to popular, large destinations. That's where WN goes....and they will do well in those markets. But it simply doesn't work as a hub anymore. There are too many other hubs that now exist in the area that have better demographics. PIT will be good for WN....just like OMA, ELP, SAT, TUL, OKC, BHM, RDU, BNA, etc., are good markets for them (flying to the popular destinations). But these markets just don't work for larger network carriers (remember AA used to have hubs in RDU & BNA, Midway tried before at RDU, UA tried to start a focus city not too long ago in SAT, etc., etc., etc.)

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

PIT is exactly the kind of market that WN would do well in but others wouldn't necessarily pull off. There is enough local demand for WN and its low fares to popular, large destinations. That's where WN goes....and they will do well in those markets. But it simply doesn't work as a hub anymore.

No one---said anything about being a re-making PIT a hub------did they?

and did you even read this?

"Our story is good," Mr. Kelly said. "We are only thinking about growing here. Certainly to the extent our competitors drop service that just accelerates our growth opportunity."

Obviously not!

 

[Travelpro72]

Those that have issues with PIT and the US involvement are seriously not looking at the truth of the matter. It's like this, Doug is carrying out what was already in motion before the merger. EVERYONE for the most part thinks he lies and doesn't agree with ANYTHING he says UNLESS it's in regards to PIT. It kills me. As for an airline like Myrtle Beach Direct flying between MYR and PIT is besides the point. So they are not a big int'l carrier. They are moving people in and out of PIT which US could easily be doing but chooses NOT to do it. This goes along with all the other FULL flights that were pretty much all O&D. It's a joke and total BS. As other airlines move in more and more people are moving AWAY from US. That's the way US wants it so be it. Whether it's one flight here or one flight there on any given airline the point is ONLY US feels they can't make money on the route. Not only Southwest but now Air Tran is adding flights that US should have. It is what it is.

 

[Prince of PAWOBs]

We have a better competitive advantage over NW, UA, AA, CO versus WN. Yes we do very well with WN in PHX and LAS, this mangement has learned how to co-exist with WN since America West inception. Those in the East could also spend some time learning of the West's history with low fare competition out west which has now spread into the Eastern parts of the country.

Coexist or collude?

IMO, America West was the airline that followed Southwest wherever it went, picking up the crumbs from a very large sandwich. If you couldn't get on Southwest, you could always pay a bit more and catch an America West flight going to the same place. It worked for years, and it seems like it's still working well.

Why compete for the whole sandwich when you can be satified with crumbs? Collect enough crumbs and you end up with what might have been a whole piece of bread at one point.

When the CEO praised Parker a couple of years ago for his "management abilities", I doubt it was because he actually believed a merged America West/US Airways would actually take a bite out of his sandwich. A larger airline can't exist on the crumbs that are available and will eventually starve to death.

What did DoUgIe do? He went on a cost-cutting diet. Less expenditure for needed items means the larger body can exist on crumbs.

Here's a proposition for all of you: What if, in say, five years US Airways begins to pull down all of its hubs and focus cities? Southwest can continue to grow in those markets and US Airways can get some more crumbs and have two or even three slices of bread worth.

What about international? Well, maybe ruining the service is a way to justify doing away with it in the future. Concentrating on domestic flying keeps all of the crumbs in-country, and then those aircraft are available for domestic flying. We're getting close to adding lettuce and tomato to the sandwich.

Doug loves to tout point-to-point flying, so it would seem to make sense as a business plan. Eliminating hubs and their associated facility and labor costs makes more money for the airline, and then someone is on their way to the delicatessen for some meat and cheese.

Does the body of this airline grow? Nope! It maintains it's weight, appearing slimmer and yet still lacking substance. Eventually the sandwich is consumed and the body continues to look for crumbs to keep itself alive.

If Southwest ever learns how to eat over a plate, it looks like someone's gonna starve to death.

 

[Itestwell]

Not only Southwest but now Air Tran is adding flights that US should have. It is what it is.

Airtran is adding a few FL only flights, of which they are ONLY operating on Saturday to start. US flies the routes daily. So, yes, it is what it is. No big deal.

And, I'll say it again... Myrtle Beach Direct?

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Airtran is adding a few FL only flights, of which they are ONLY operating on Saturday to start. US flies the routes daily. So, yes, it is what it is. No big deal.

And, I'll say it again... Myrtle Beach Direct?

I guess you people just don't get it---do you?

http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?n...78569&rfi=6

Southwest expanding
US Airways shrinking

Pittsburgh was and has been a very significant new city for us,"

"Any reduction in service by a competitor certainly opens up more opportunities for us, and that (potential reduction of service in Pittsburgh by US Airways) certainly would play a role," Mainz said.

It has been said before and I will say it again----It's like giving away your market on a silver platter-----Hell even WN is saying it!

 

[Travelpro72]

Airtran is adding a few FL only flights, of which they are ONLY operating on Saturday to start. US flies the routes daily. So, yes, it is what it is. No big deal.

And, I'll say it again... Myrtle Beach Direct?

Here we go again. Flying slow? It doesn't matter if it's only 1 flight or 2 here or there. The POINT is that US being a "LCC" CANNOT and WILL NOT compete against ANYONE. They hold their own in PHL due to its size. THATS ALL.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Here we go again. Flying slow? It doesn't matter if it's only 1 flight or 2 here or there. The POINT is that US being a "LCC" CANNOT and WILL NOT compete against ANYONE. They hold their own in PHL due to its size. THATS ALL.

How true---I'm still waiting for all the Dougweiser supporters here to explain why the west coast operations are not being pulled down---There are obviously a great number of routes that are unprofitable----to the tune of 26.5 million loss in one quarter----

 

[mrman]

PIT is exactly the kind of market that WN would do well in but others wouldn't necessarily pull off. There is enough local demand for WN and its low fares to popular, large destinations. That's where WN goes....and they will do well in those markets. But it simply doesn't work as a hub anymore. There are too many other hubs that now exist in the area that have better demographics. PIT will be good for WN....just like OMA, ELP, SAT, TUL, OKC, BHM, RDU, BNA, etc., are good markets for them (flying to the popular destinations). But these markets just don't work for larger network carriers (remember AA used to have hubs in RDU & BNA, Midway tried before at RDU, UA tried to start a focus city not too long ago in SAT, etc., etc., etc.)

Only flaw in above is WN is flying both to large and small markets out of PIT. The following is a list of markets out of PIT with NS, Direct or 1 connection service:
ALB, ABQ, AUS, BWI, BHM, BOI, MHT, PVD, BUR, MDW, DAL, DFW(Code Share), DEN, ELP, FLL, RSW, HRL, BDL, HNL(Code Share), HOU, IND, JAN, JAX, MCI, LAS, LIT, ISP, LAX, ONT, SNA, SDF, MHT, OGG(Code Share), MAF, BNA, MSY, ORF, OAK, OMA, MCO, PHL, PDX, PVD, RDU, RNO, SMF, SLC, SAT, SAN, SFO, SJC, SEA, GEG, STL, TPA, TUS, TUL, PBI