So who's non rev. policy will survive?

[MCI transplant]

I feel the question of who's system will survive will, in most part, depend on which Unions will be in place after the fact.------ In the case of the AMT's, the TWU, IAM, or hopefully, AMFA.------ But, I also realise that non- revin privileges are non contractual.

 

[Kittyhawk]

During the US/HP merger, non-reving began almost right away but it took Doug several months to determine the seniority vs check in time issue. Of course, seniority eventually won the day. In the interim, we maintained our policies on our own airline, and were place under the employees traveling on there own metal. I would imagine it takes awhile for IT issues to be worked through, and it may take awhile to completely intergrate the 2 employee groups under a single travel policy for IT reasons.

 

[MCI transplant]

I thought it was impossible to nonrev with high load factors?...

If I had to guess, neither side is going to want to change how they do it. If I recall, CO gave up time of check-in to move to UA's seniority system.

Personally, I think it's a mistake to go with seniority. It perpetuates the entitlement culture that some employees have.

Oh, it's not impossible e! But who you have to play the game fly on odd days of the week, first flight of the day, and have the time to be flexable! In other words, retired!

 

[AANOTOK]

I thought it was impossible to nonrev with high load factors?...

You never miss an opportunity to be a smartass these days, do ya eolesen?

 

[amt66]

I would hope they keep the AA system very user friendly and fair.

 

[Kittyhawk]

I suspect the new management will take a little from both. The best that we can hope for is the US cost structure with the AA check in time structure. Though I do feel that senority is the fairest way, I suspect either way we go, everybody rides as long as you plan it right.

 

[xUT]

I thought it was impossible to nonrev with high load factors?...

If I had to guess, neither side is going to want to change how they do it. If I recall, CO gave up time of check-in to move to UA's seniority system.

Personally, I think it's a mistake to go with seniority. It perpetuates the entitlement culture that some employees have.

Unitedintel is seniority with 'active employees' first and retirees last.

 

[1AA]

I feel the question of who's system will survive will, in most part, depend on which Unions will be in place after the fact.------ In the case of the AMT's, the TWU, IAM, or hopefully, AMFA.------ But, I also realise that non- revin privileges are non contractual.

Give it time. The TWU will make it contractual if given the opportunity just like our profit sharing plan.

 

[AANOTOK]

Though I do feel that senority is the fairest way,

Why??

 

[jimntx]

I suspect the new management will take a little from both. The best that we can hope for is the US cost structure with the AA check in time structure. Though I do feel that senority is the fairest way, I suspect either way we go, everybody rides as long as you plan it right.

Maybe. Maybe not. They have so cut capacity at some stations that the only hope is to list for first flight of the day, then plan to spend the whole day at the airport in the hope that at some point, some revenue passenger does not show and a seat becomes available. There is a 6am flight tomorrow from TUL to DFW that has over 40 non-revs on the standby list already. Now, as the current status of the flight stands, they'll all get on because there are 45 seats available in coach. However, we all know how that can change in a heartbeat.

 

[wings396]

I like the first come, first serve (FCFS) because it would be easier to plan knowing where you are on the list w/o somebody with more seniority walking up and bump you. (I do have 25 yrs)

Please explain to me how this works when you have a large amount, let's say 25 who are all commuters that log on to list for a flt the minute that they can? Obviously, they won't all be able to list at the same time, and this is where I see a potential issue. One computer glitch on either end, and you are screwed. And believe me, we have several flts that meet this criteria with over 30 NR's trying to get on.

 

[enough already]

Please explain to me how this works when you have a large amount, let's say 25 who are all commuters that log on to list for a flt the minute that they can? Obviously, they won't all be able to list at the same time, and this is where I see a potential issue. One computer glitch on either end, and you are screwed. And believe me, we have several flts that meet this criteria with over 30 NR's trying to get on.

FCFS is what it is. If you have a lousy CPU or connection, or a slow finger then you won't be first. It still beats some high senior person with entitlement issues walking up at the last second bumping you off. IMHO

 

[wings396]

Thanks for the info...

 

[Bob Owens]

FCFS is what it is. If you have a lousy CPU or connection, or a slow finger then you won't be first. It still beats some high senior person with entitlement issues walking up at the last second bumping you off. IMHO

As a pretty senior guy I have to say FCFS is the way to go. While I beleive in Seniority this is one area where seniority does not make it fairer. Senior people have first choice every where else, junior people tend to be the commuters because they lack the seniority to be where they want to be. I think a Junior commuter going home to see their family on their days off should get just as good of a shot at a seat as a senior person looking to go somewhere on one of his five weeks of VC.

 

[Barfbag]

I believe most of LLC policies will be trashed, including their Non-revving one.

Let's not forget the it was AA's cutting edge Sabre system that kept AA ahead of the pact and away from the Bankrutcy shed the longest amongst the legacies. It was Crandall who crawled underneath AA and gave it it's long running engine.

AA's shell needs body work but it's engine is still very much intact. I don't see Parker stirring up DFWHQ policies too much, if not at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Crandall