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repeet
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On the other hand, every time I would advocate voting the company's "take it or leave it" proposal down (my apologies to the hard working Pittsburgh AGC's) the first thing that everybody, and I mean everybody, would say is, " why? So we can keep voting on it until it passes"? Now, how much that mindset influenced the vote is highly debatable, but that is the reply that I ALWAYS got from EVERYBODY.
Then there was the argument that because "we" were in bankruptcy, that the District or the International would overrule a no vote. The mood was very fatalistic.
Actually what I heard through the grapevine, was that the IAM International and District were in the mood to gut and skin the company "IF" it's membership was up to it. Unfortunately, the proclamations that the Union Rep.s made to the membership that it was OUR decision, and that the Union would fully support whichever position we decided on, wasn't believed. Instead "we" believed that the Union was complicit with the company. For that, I blame the Union.
Then again, maybe the membership did believe the Union. The bottom line is that 61% of the District 142 members on the property were not ready to fight for their craft, their class, or their lifestyle. Truly, we have indeed become the "Frightened Machinists".
Did the IAM recommend a strike?
They did not. Much has been made of the fact they did not have to. The fact they could have is ignored.
Did the IAM do the due diligence to prepare the membership for a strike?
They did not. Strike preparation is taught at Leadership I at Placid Harbor. The entire burden of preparation cannot be laid off in the membership; leadership is required.
At the District info meeting, the question of strike was deferred until the end of the meeting. The answer was,"well, we need a strong strike vote, and if the company's final offer is rejected, we'll let you know what to do. We may not walk off the job right away, and it may get tied up in court. We'll keep you advised."
That was the long and short of 'preparation.'
They did not. Much has been made of the fact they did not have to. The fact they could have is ignored.
Did the IAM do the due diligence to prepare the membership for a strike?
They did not. Strike preparation is taught at Leadership I at Placid Harbor. The entire burden of preparation cannot be laid off in the membership; leadership is required.
At the District info meeting, the question of strike was deferred until the end of the meeting. The answer was,"well, we need a strong strike vote, and if the company's final offer is rejected, we'll let you know what to do. We may not walk off the job right away, and it may get tied up in court. We'll keep you advised."
That was the long and short of 'preparation.'
repeet
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Like I said, frightened.
That's true, 700, but they also voted 'yes' to accept the offer, rendering the strike vote moot.
Not casting stones - 141 did the same thing, although I understand the strike vote was a close run thing.
And repeet is right; you can, and I do, find fault with the leadership, but in the end, the membership voted.
I will contend that the deck was stacked in the 141 vote, as the proposal required little sacrifice on the part of the CLT, PHL, BOS and DCA's, so long as they threw the RIC's and GSO's under the bus.
Not casting stones - 141 did the same thing, although I understand the strike vote was a close run thing.
And repeet is right; you can, and I do, find fault with the leadership, but in the end, the membership voted.
I will contend that the deck was stacked in the 141 vote, as the proposal required little sacrifice on the part of the CLT, PHL, BOS and DCA's, so long as they threw the RIC's and GSO's under the bus.
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diogenes said:
I agree
But a whole lot more was thrown under the bus
a whole lot more
:angry: :down: 
Dea Certe
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Guys and Gals,
We have a right to feel angry. We've been used and treated badly. Our best efforts have been scoffed and discounted by the powers that be. Most of us have watched our seniority slide backwards, given up week-ends, holidays and in many cases, even our jobs! Didn't matter that we were doing the best we could, with what little we had as resources.
Do not for one moment feel guilty or less than adequate. Most of us performed at super-human effort and got kicked in the teeth daily by what passes for management these days.
Move on, my dear friends. What has happened here was never in your control. You did your best with little support. You are heroes, that this operation survived as long as it has is to your credit.
Hold your heads high, and move on. It's been years since you were appreciated, either by word or deed.
For some odd reason, this mangement sees the employees as the enemies, they don't realize the value you provided. Nor do they respect the efforts you made with so little to work with.
Move on, my friends. You've done your best. You will be missed, by the customers you served and your fellow employees who remain.
Realize you are lucky, you are smart and you have skills. Do not allow this management to degrade you. I've worked with you! I know the miracles you produce daily! And do not forget "the çockroaches" you've produced for daily! They remember you!!
This management is all about "bean counting" and we know that's not the real answer.
You are in my prayers and I am very proud to have worked with you. It's my opinion, that as awful as it seems now, you are the lucky ones. Never forget your skills, your talent and your worth!
Love from Dea
We have a right to feel angry. We've been used and treated badly. Our best efforts have been scoffed and discounted by the powers that be. Most of us have watched our seniority slide backwards, given up week-ends, holidays and in many cases, even our jobs! Didn't matter that we were doing the best we could, with what little we had as resources.
Do not for one moment feel guilty or less than adequate. Most of us performed at super-human effort and got kicked in the teeth daily by what passes for management these days.
Move on, my dear friends. What has happened here was never in your control. You did your best with little support. You are heroes, that this operation survived as long as it has is to your credit.
Hold your heads high, and move on. It's been years since you were appreciated, either by word or deed.
For some odd reason, this mangement sees the employees as the enemies, they don't realize the value you provided. Nor do they respect the efforts you made with so little to work with.
Move on, my friends. You've done your best. You will be missed, by the customers you served and your fellow employees who remain.
Realize you are lucky, you are smart and you have skills. Do not allow this management to degrade you. I've worked with you! I know the miracles you produce daily! And do not forget "the çockroaches" you've produced for daily! They remember you!!
This management is all about "bean counting" and we know that's not the real answer.
You are in my prayers and I am very proud to have worked with you. It's my opinion, that as awful as it seems now, you are the lucky ones. Never forget your skills, your talent and your worth!
Love from Dea
delldude said:
I, too, have attended.
I didn't say an entire course of Strike Prep was offered in Leadership I.
I am saying some time was dedicated to it in the role of the Steward.
My point is the IAM knows all about strike prep; they teach it.
And what they taught, and what I learned, did not happen in 2004/2005.
I am making the intuitive leap that because the leadership did not educate the membership about the ins and outs ot a stike, the leadership did not want a strike.
I am open to alternative theories.
okey dokey..............they changed the curriculum then.................you can see where i was coming from under collective bargining 2......................we didn't even go there when i was there..........diogenes said:
the leadership here can be as vague as it comes.........from several contacts i have both district and at the int'l level......there is a lot to be desired as far as communications with the masses goes........you know it....i've screamed bloody murder through channels over asst. issues and have gotten limited response.... even to the degree as putting it into the context of 'what you guys want...no wonder they try for amfa'.....quite frustrating at this level...makes you wonder who runs the ship and wha they're real concerns are....
have a nice weekend............ B)
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How about Leadership I, II, Advanced Leadership then Train the Trainer?
I have completed them all, and you barely touch upon strike preparedness.
Strike readiness is usually done by each local when the time is needed for a strike committee to met, I know I was on one during the strike of 1992.
And the IAM's biggest problem is communications, or the lack of it I should say.
I have completed them all, and you barely touch upon strike preparedness.
Strike readiness is usually done by each local when the time is needed for a strike committee to met, I know I was on one during the strike of 1992.
And the IAM's biggest problem is communications, or the lack of it I should say.
Considering it was U's second trip thru bankruptcy, and we knew it was going to be ugly, when would have been a good time for a strike committee, at any level, to have met?
When would have been a good time to explain to the membership the ramifications of a strike?
Because if there was such a meeting, designed to inform the membership, as opposed to talking amongst themselves, it didn't work.
Dude and 700, y'all know I believe unions are a necessity in our political and economic environment.
And I am not saying the IAM is all bad. I am saying they need to improve, in some areas, radically.
If the don't they will become irrelevant. And then we will be worse off.
When would have been a good time to explain to the membership the ramifications of a strike?
Because if there was such a meeting, designed to inform the membership, as opposed to talking amongst themselves, it didn't work.
Dude and 700, y'all know I believe unions are a necessity in our political and economic environment.
And I am not saying the IAM is all bad. I am saying they need to improve, in some areas, radically.
If the don't they will become irrelevant. And then we will be worse off.
