Replaced And Outsourced

[repeet]

fatherof2,

I think diogenes has nailed it. Nothing the Unions could have done, short of shutting the place down like Eastern, would have stopped US Airways "transformation".

As for Unions. I was required to join the Union as a condition of employment. I wanted the job, so I joined. I was a shop steward for several years. I attended Placid Harbor Leadership 1 school. I have contributed for years to the IAM's Non-Partisan Political League PAC. All of this training and experience has brought me to a conclusion that I have stated before. US Airways was my first, AND LAST, Union job!

 

[robbedagain]

what i dont understand is that why do we still have to pay union dues on our severance checks while out on furlough knowing full well we aint going to come back to the airline? my city is being taken over by Piedmont Airlines as of June 6th and what a insult to injury it is starting pay for experienced is 10.06 and you only get raises based upon your job performance. i do agree that the benies are better than usair but come on i think if the pay for experience was better than the 10.06 it would be nice for me to stay but i cant even make a living raising my special needs son on 10.06 plus pay maintaince for car, apartment rent which is lower than most places but not low enough and pay daycare for my son and pay for my medical bills and my son's medical bill. luckily i will be going to work with my uncle at the railroads which will start me at 18 to 19 bucks an hr and full benies after 90 days

 

[700UW]

Because you would not get a severance check if it was not for being under a union contract and paying union dues.

 

[usairmech41]

700Uw

The union supported these job oppurtunities, they even advertised them on the union website.......please wake up

Because you would not get a severance check if it was not for being under a union contract and paying union dues.

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[700UW]

The union did not support the former US Utility workers going to work for the vendor.

The vendor is non-union and the IAM has nothing to do with them.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Utility received premium pay for a long time because of, not in spite of, their union.

 

[fatherof2]

700, You really missed the point! I realize that these at will employees have the same union rights. But, I view them as nothing better than scabs! I will not work side by side with them ever again. I will not break bread with them! I will not offer them congratulations on finding a great job. Several of them have asked me to put in a good word for them at where I'm at now. My answer is NO!
I can understand some poor slob making minimum wage, and looking to better themselves and taking my job, but it is inexcuseable for those that I considered my brothers and sisters to continue to do the job that we once did side by side for nothing more than the mere title of Lead or supervisor. :angry:

 

[700UW]

I agree with you 100% on how you feel about them.

They are nothing more then scabs.

 

[PHL]

On the topic of severence......700 - why do you assume that people would get no severence if the union wasn't there to represent them?! It is quite standard in many non-union jobs to get a severence commensurate with your time of employment. Let's assume that US was like DL with no union representation except for the Pilots for a minute.....how would have the labor landscape been much different over the last 2-3 years?

I know many people who were working in a variety of sectors over the years, all non-union. They got laid off, positions eliminated, etc. Guess what - THEY GOT SEVERENCE! Companies that were crying the 'cut costs' song. Just like USAirways. So, 700, please tell me the other benefits union representation has given you, your brothers and sisters that you can show were not benefits given to non-union positions elsewhere (aside from that whole seniority scam). Then people might start to appreciate what it's there for. Otherwise, you just keep beating the drum as fewer people are marching to it.

 

[speedbird86]

Go find out what US Airways did to the non-union fleet and customer service employees in 1992.

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You got that right. They stomped us in '92. Sad thing is, they are still stomping us and we are union now. Less pay and bennies than we had in '92.

 

[ILMgwm]

The rate of pay for ILM is $9.50 expericenced ramp/ops. $11.00 freight trained and $12.00 an hour for lead experience pay. (i thought i would mention that some of our leads are not Freight trained. I hear that new hires would be paid something in the $8.00 range. . The benefits are horrible, $120.00 single medical, no dental. etc.....I have friends that work at Harris Teeter ( a regional grocery store ) that make 10.00 an hour and have wonderful benefits).

I cannot, for my self esteem, work for such low rates of pay with my experience. I hope to take my severance and some unemployment. Perhaps, if things don't work out unemployed, i may venture back to the airlines. But , i hope fate will follow me else where. I have been employed by the airlines since 1987 with USairways/Piedmont/ Usair in the capacity of a flight attendant and a fleet service worker. I made some bad decisons in the past regarding my career, but i am more that ever ready for survival beyond US.

 

[airbiiguy]

get an education people! the days of easy, good paying jobs are gone.

 

[calibrator]

get an education people! the days of easy, good paying jobs are gone.

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AMEN.....I wrote a long diatribe saying what you say here. No more easy street making a livable wage without a education or being highly skilled, it's over for good face it.

I was talking to a long time friend and simulator engineer who has 27 years with U and lived all his life in PA. He is moving to FL for Jet Blue doing the same thing. Tis life, Tis reality.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I am a full-time US Airways employee, not the IAM. Keep Trying.

Judge Mitchell in two bankruptcy cases has a 99.9% track record of giving the company whatever they have wanted.

"Better 50% of the jobs then no jobs", Judge Mitchell.

As a matter of fact I minored in psychology in college. And there are some good jobs out there, you just have to search and be willing to change.

Unions are pimps?

Go do some research and find out why there are labor laws on the books. Go find out what US Airways did to the non-union fleet and customer service employees in 1992.

Like I said, I work 40 hours a week at US Airways.

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And your point of telling us you minored in Psychology is...? You just don't get it do you?
700 do I have to put up all the things that happened in 1992 all over again and remind you that those workers in '92 were making more money, better quality work life, better benefits, being non-union, Than a MIA member being pimped by a piss clam labor organization in 2010, according to the latest missive.
Did you learn math in college? Consider the following equation/word problem

Employee A is non union making $17.88 a hour in 1994. Employee B is like $17 something plus he gets to join the MIA and pay close to $50 a month in 2013.
Which of the following is most correct:
a. $17.88 in 1994 > $17 something in 2013
b. MIA member above all?
c. $17.88 in 1994 < being a MIA member, plus $17
d. My life for MIA


I kept it simply 700. I could have said a better retirement, vacation, shift differ, health insurance, and every other thing under the sun was better but the word problem would have been much to long then. And it goes without saying that even seniority was more respected, God forbid a person gets laid off and then 91 days later comes back at bottom feeding wages.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

  I consider myself to be very pro-union, but I am having a hard  time fathoming how the very union which I stood behind, and hoped they had my back when push came to shove, can represent the very worker who took my job.  My wife tells me I need to let it go, but I just can't seem to.
:angry:

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The fundamental flaw with the MIA and the American Labor movement is that they forgot the 'All for one" stuff. Now it is something like ' something is better than nothing' which has always been managements scream at the negotiating table.

When the union took managements paradigm, management was free to do what it does best...come back for more. Management is always the home team in this situation.

The alternative may appear brutal to conditioned eyes but the 'all for one' may very well have shut down your company, yet, in the end, that approach will preserve Middle American jobs on the whole. So that, it was common to see former Eastern employees just pick up another decent airline job.
Bryan was right at Eastern, it was brutal but the guy preserved the integrity and pay of thousands of airline jobs by not allowing the corporate pimps to divide his union with the philosophy. And in doing so there became opportunity within the industry for former Eastern employees to be re-employed elsewhere.

Also, some union people said the 'All for one' is their stance also but the judge/company put a gun to their head and made them an offer they couldn't refuse. But that metaphor fails because the union had a gun also but refused to draw it.
Tell me, in the real world, if someone puts a gun to your head yet you have a gun in your hands also...what does the common man do? He puts the gun to the other guys head, that's what he does! And now you have even chances. Perhaps you both go see Jesus together, ready or not. This is what Bryan did as opposed to the present day American Labor movement that allows the Corporate greed cancer to spread within the industry and become what is common in American Business/labor relations. One it has spread it infects all companies within an industry.

Unfortunately, with the AFLCIO's business unionism and refusal to follow the 'one for all' labor movement of yesteryear, all those who lost their jobs at US AIRWAYS, and all those who kept their lessor jobs at US AIRWAYS, will continue to see wages and benefits deteriorate, regardless of industry or company.

regards,