Replaced And Outsourced

[calibrator]

If I recall correctly wasn't good old Frank on the negotiating committee!! Never the less why didn't the district make a recommendation, what happened to the fighting machnists, they sure talked a good game but when they were backed in a corner by the company they took the cowards way out, we just won't make any recommendation then we can't be blamed for anything we will blame the members if they vote yes or no either way our hands are clean! Your first statement really says it all about the IAM, they didn't give a recommendation that is great leadership there isn't it!!

[post="262080"][/post]​

By reading you posts I think leadership is the last thing bothering you. You have a serious anger issue that needs dealt with.

The blame game is as old as man and was in practice before the mirror was invented.

It's way beyond control of even the people who are supposed to be in control. Your anger is not going to change past or present events but only assure you remain static in your misery.

 

[delldude]

i think it has something to do with not having enough balls to vote something down and now its someone elses fault that they didn't make up his mind for him.....
hey calibrator,what color socks do you recommend i wear today....

 

[Hope777]

I just think the Chicken $hits saw what happened to Eastern and were scared because they have no where else to go. Back then the Union had backbone, in todays world ALL UNIONS are very weak and will never do the right thing.

 

[delldude]

I just think the Chicken $hits saw what happened to Eastern and were scared because they have no where else to go. Back then the Union had backbone, in todays world ALL UNIONS are very weak and will never do the right thing.

[post="262088"][/post]​

excellent point...but why are they weak????
WEAK MEMBERS MAKE WEAK UNIONS

 

[Hope777]

Dell, thats what I said in the first sentence.

 

[700UW]

There were also eight other members and you did not see them say "well I would vote for it" as Frank did.

There was a spilt between certain representitives on the committee, some from the colder region wanted not to reccomend anything and the warmer climate members wanted it voted down.

A decision was made since it was a final offer to provide all the information to the members and let them decide how to vote. Apparently they voted yes to get their severence and keep 50% of the jobs.

And as delldude said, can you not make your own decision?

I can proudly say I voted no, can you?

 

[Hope777]

Hell Yeah !

 

[calibrator]

hey calibrator,what color socks do you recommend i wear today....

[post="262086"][/post]​

Go barefoot and get jungle rot, but don't come on here and #### to me about it....

 

[diogenes]

Travesty indeed
If thats what you think then,now that things are behind us, lets ask Chandlee ,Flyn and Armeedo to explain on this board what went on in negoations why they sold catering to the company for 600 senior agents and many many small stations .

[post="261958"][/post]​

Well, for starters, they're keeping their jobs, yes? You see anybody from an out-station holding one of those jobs?

And their local membership, including the junior ones, aren't taking the hits the CHS, GSO and ILM's are taking, are they?

And I already haved a response to the question from the district. "We didn't negotiate this;this is what the company wanted." Go ask one of them.

But amazingly, at the district info meeting, the GC spent 30 minutes talking about how the IAM had 'improved' the company's final offer.

I also asked how it was that M&R retained their right to accrue seniority for 5 years, while fleet lost seniority accrual - a right under the previous contract, AND UNDER THE PRE-CONTRACT ERA!

I got the same answer.

I am of the opinion the IAM was NEVER serious about the out-stations, and events seem to support that.

 

[unit4clt]

so when you're driven to another union by the lackeys at IAM...i suppose you'll just dive in there and run for a position,eh??? ah ha ha..lol
when driven to another union i guess everyone will still be the same ....skip getting involved,sit in the corner and whine about their new union,,,,talk it down,don't get involved let someone else do it because i don't got time and i pay high dues...its not my job.....
you people make me sick...YOU ARE THE PROBLEM...not your union...you are the reason .....you are the spineless smacks with no balls to vote a piece of crap out and take the consequences...

[post="262073"][/post]​

It is very obvious you have no clue as to what you are talking about. The IAM has never brought any contract back to the FSA members WORTHY of recieving a yes vote from me. Even in the best of times the IAM brought back substandard contracts!! Basically all they returned was a glorified PPG in 1999 that had greviance procedures.

The basic problem you have is you blame the membership for problems created by the leadership of the IAM.
The IAM has never tried to build solidarity with FS. :down: :down:
Only when leadership builds solidarity, can you have membership NOT afraid of the consequences. But with leaders AFRAID of consequences, well you have what you have today at US!!!!

 

[fanlube]

I don't care how anybody voted everybody has to live with that decision. I still say for the IAM not to make a recommendation was spineless, when did they take that stance before. You guys are right the members voted for it. You call guys scabs who go to work for vendors, but if I recall on the 1976 website there was an add for jobs for the company that maintains the belt system in PIT. All I'm saying is you guys defend this union and always blame the membership. I know your the membership dude blah, blah, blah. It always goes back to leadership like it or not. If the leadership took a stand the membership probably would of took a stand, the leadership didn't take a stand the membership didn't take a stand.

 

[delldude]

It is very obvious you have no clue as to what you are talking about. The IAM has never brought any contract back to the FSA members WORTHY of recieving a yes vote from me. Even in the best of times the IAM brought back substandard contracts!! Basically all they returned was a glorified PPG in 1999 that had greviance procedures.

The basic problem you have is you blame the membership for problems created by the leadership of the IAM.
The IAM has never tried to build solidarity with FS. :down: :down:
Only when leadership builds solidarity, can you have membership NOT afraid of the consequences. But with leaders AFRAID of consequences, well you have what you have today at US!!!!

[post="262137"][/post]​

well if you guys keep voting these things in the leadership figures its acceptable......
and don't forget.....for leadership to lead effectively they need effective members....the leaders don't vote the contract in dude...guys and gals like you do......so go cry up another tree......
until all you guys vote it down there will never be change

 

[aerosmith]

I don't care how anybody voted everybody has to live with that decision. I still say for the IAM not to make a recommendation was spineless, when did they take that stance before. You guys are right the members voted for it. You call guys scabs who go to work for vendors, but if I recall on the 1976 website there was an add for jobs for the company that maintains the belt system in PIT. All I'm saying is you guys defend this union and always blame the membership. I know your the membership dude blah, blah, blah. It always goes back to leadership like it or not. If the leadership took a stand the membership probably would of took a stand, the leadership didn't take a stand the membership didn't take a stand.

[post="262139"][/post]​

If I remember correctly, Per the IAM constitution the union leadership is prohibited from giving a recomendation. This was ratified at the IAM conference in Las Vegas 2 maybe 3 years ago.

 

[delldude]

If I remember correctly, Per the IAM constitution the union leadership is prohibited from giving a recomendation. This was ratified at the IAM conference in Las Vegas 2 maybe 3 years ago.

[post="262145"][/post]​

uh oh....now whats he going to say???

 

[700UW]

That was actually at a District 141M convention, not the IAM Grand Lodge Convention. There is nothing in the IAM Constitution about a contract recommendation, that was in 141M's Bylaws and then voted out by the members elected to the convention.