Replace AFA joint negotiations committee now

[usfliboi]

I started this thread 14 days ago with the hope of reading the opinions of other f/as on replaceing the negotiating committee. I am really surprised at the number of posts that have been added. Unfortunately, the original subject matter has been lost in the pro vs con arguments about the overwhelming NO vote that was cast by 90% of the f/a membership.To the one or two pilots that continue to question the voting results,What part of NO don't you understand? For the record,I was on a negotiating committee some years ago so I know a little bit about this process. Secondly, i did read the TA and was shocked at the number of "to be determined" and the number of "at the discretion of crew scheduling" insertions that were sprinkled thru out the TA. The fact that you might not be able to alter the last 6 days of your monthly schedule was also a no no. The money was a joke. We would have been making less money than we did under the 2004 contract. The price of everything goes up every year yet the company wanted us to basically take another pay cut (when you factor in the 2004 contract). In 2004 we took a double hit on vacation losing (my seniority) nine days and dropping down from a 5 to 6 hour credit per vacation day to a 4 hour credit per vacation day. Since 2004,every time I take a vacation I lose money because the pairings are worth at least 5 hours but I get credit for only 4 hours. The TA was going to raise the duty rig to 5:15. Sounds good until you realize that you would now be losing even more time when you take a vacation. And anyone with 26 years or more were not getting any vacation days returned to them, NOT ONE. Everything the company was offering came with a price,completely negating the sacrifices f/as made back in 2004 in order to turn this company around. I have a question for those few inquisitive pilots who feel the need to question the f/as ' NO vote,if you have owned a house,when you went to closing ,did you insist on knowing everything in the contract or did you let some issues be left open and up to the seller's discression? Now it appears that Parker is going after American Airlines.I hope for their sake that they can find a way to survive without a merger. Like I tell everyone,Parker's past has proven that he has no judgement and no respect for the law,thus, he has no respect for us. The good news about a possible merger with AA is that there is strength in numbers and any possible job action by the employees would be impossible to ignor. How ironic is it that the name Doug Parker and AA may soon be used in the same sentence on an almost daily basis in the press. God truly does have a sense of humor. Peace

Bertha my friend....God has nothing to do with this. It is called greed my one and only...Greed....You voted now enjoy what will happen next! Replacing anyone means nothing...You are in the eighties mentality and it no longer works...But do not take my word for that....Just watch and see what happens either way!

 

[ebwgs]

I started this thread 14 days ago with the hope of reading the opinions of other f/as on replaceing the negotiating committee. I am really surprised at the number of posts that have been added. Unfortunately, the original subject matter has been lost in the pro vs con arguments about the overwhelming NO vote that was cast by 90% of the f/a membership.To the one or two pilots that continue to question the voting results,What part of NO don't you understand? For the record,I was on a negotiating committee some years ago so I know a little bit about this process. Secondly, i did read the TA and was shocked at the number of "to be determined" and the number of "at the discretion of crew scheduling" insertions that were sprinkled thru out the TA. The fact that you might not be able to alter the last 6 days of your monthly schedule was also a no no. The money was a joke. We would have been making less money than we did under the 2004 contract. The price of everything goes up every year yet the company wanted us to basically take another pay cut (when you factor in the 2004 contract). In 2004 we took a double hit on vacation losing (my seniority) nine days and dropping down from a 5 to 6 hour credit per vacation day to a 4 hour credit per vacation day. Since 2004,every time I take a vacation I lose money because the pairings are worth at least 5 hours but I get credit for only 4 hours. The TA was going to raise the duty rig to 5:15. Sounds good until you realize that you would now be losing even more time when you take a vacation. And anyone with 26 years or more were not getting any vacation days returned to them, NOT ONE. Everything the company was offering came with a price,completely negating the sacrifices f/as made back in 2004 in order to turn this company around. I have a question for those few inquisitive pilots who feel the need to question the f/as ' NO vote,if you have owned a house,when you went to closing ,did you insist on knowing everything in the contract or did you let some issues be left open and up to the seller's discression? Now it appears that Parker is going after American Airlines.I hope for their sake that they can find a way to survive without a merger. Like I tell everyone,Parker's past has proven that he has no judgement and no respect for the law,thus, he has no respect for us. The good news about a possible merger with AA is that there is strength in numbers and any possible job action by the employees would be impossible to ignor. How ironic is it that the name Doug Parker and AA may soon be used in the same sentence on an almost daily basis in the press. God truly does have a sense of humor. Peace

Very well said. Thanks for posting.

 

[Bertha]

Bertha my friend....God has nothing to do with this. It is called greed my one and only...Greed....You voted now enjoy what will happen next! Replacing anyone means nothing...You are in the eighties mentality and it no longer works...But do not take my word for that....Just watch and see what happens either way!

I know that God has nothing to do with greed. I also know that AA stands for many different things.Just saying.

 

[Onestep2flt]

I see the fear mongering has returned! I won't speak to any one specific party, but it is a little funny how some show up after every little article. The supposed AMR Union endorsement thing and we get drive-by FUD. It may not matter after December when the Mayan calender runs out!!!!!!

I am not sure what any of this has to do with replacing AFA negotiators though.

 

[usfliboi]

I know that God has nothing to do with greed. I also know that AA stands for many different things.Just saying.

and now...our union and the committee will be irrelivant....They have 10,000 strong and we are no longer in the drivers seat...Looks like we should have taken the deal ...but you didnt hear that from me.... Our leadership is scrambling to get back to the table....read the latest communication from AFA! Doug doesnt need us anymore ( As I stated after the membership loudly said "Hell No" this is Dougs response! Watch and learn..Buisness 101!

 

[john john]

and now...our union and the committee will be irrelivant....They have 10,000 strong and we are no longer in the drivers seat...Looks like we should have taken the deal ...but you didnt hear that from me.... Our leadership is scrambling to get back to the table....read the latest communication from AFA! Doug doesnt need us anymore ( As I stated after the membership loudly said "Hell No" this is Dougs response! Watch and learn..Buisness 101!

Did the contract that was voted down have the same change of control language?

 

[usfliboi]

Did the contract that was voted down have the same change of control language?

The East language was there and improved...I can not speak to the West language...What we have here is a mess that AFA has helped stir up! I have recieved 6 emails from AFA... scrambling to do damage control and trying to get a new contract out there Quickly!

 

[Phoenix]

and now...our union and the committee will be irrelivant....They have 10,000 strong and we are no longer in the drivers seat...Looks like we should have taken the deal ...but you didnt hear that from me.... Our leadership is scrambling to get back to the table....read the latest communication from AFA! Doug doesnt need us anymore ( As I stated after the membership loudly said "Hell No" this is Dougs response! Watch and learn..Buisness 101!

What would you have if you had taken the deal, that you will not get when AA seals the deal for you? What would be the point of having a deal that would become obsolete to the new one?

 

[UPNAWAY]

It is all kinda moot now.