Pilot labor thread 5/4-5/10

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The loan is not paid off, it was sold then refinanced, both ATSB Loans.
Thank you for the details of the note. In fact, I believe the obligation, in whatever format it finally became, has been discharged, courtesy, US. When one sells a note, one generally no longer guarantees the note and, therefore, no longer is responsible for it. and the note was "sold" to whom?
 
I would not expect any West pilot to ever join USAPA. Doing so would give USAPA some legitimacy which of course they do not have. You cannot expect the West to load the gun for their own execution, not gonna happen. You guys outnumber us, thats all; and sooner or later it will catch up with you.
 
In fact, I believe the obligation, in whatever format it finally became, has been discharged, courtesy, US.
The only "courtesy, US" was that the holding company was still US Group. US didn't have the money to pay off it's own formerly ATSB guaranteed loan until the outside investor money flowed in after the merger, at which time both loans were refinanced - not paid off.

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""USAPA, for all USairways pilots" what a joke. Not one West pilot is USAPA" That's very unfortunate, since it also means that "Not one West pilot" will have any vote. I can't find the up-side to that for anyone but...it's your choice to make.

"Tell me, is the East so arrogant and/or stupid to believe that when that happens, with whatever carrier, that the US name/livery would survive?" I'd certainly think not. Speaking only for myself; I couldn't possibly care less about any call sign or paint scheme. Given all the hysterical furor over the "Cactus" call sign...I'll leave all issues of "so arrogant and/or stupid to believe.." to those more hugely concerned with such trivial BS.

"Does anyone actually believe USAPA will survive any merger?" I'd think that high odds are against that...but; the odds against even the establishment of USAPA were nearly astronomical. Time will tell.

You keep chanting that without joining usapa the west won't get a vote. We know that. We also know that even if all 1800 joined and voted it wouldn't matter anyway. The east tyranny truly in evidence.
 
You keep chanting that without joining usapa the west won't get a vote. We know that.

We also know that even if all 1800 joined and voted it wouldn't matter anyway. The east tyranny truly in evidence.
Then you won't have any standing to complain about. Sad, but it will make things easier.

I think you would be surprised depending on the issues. But that's me. There is no tyranny, that's your description. Therefore without your participation, I guess you will be satisfied with the outcome.
 
AAA:

A cynic might say how can it get any easier anyway since there has been nothing to date that indicates that anything other than majority rule is driving anything anyway.

I suspect that the West pilots are following legal advice and not just reacting from their gut. What that advice is and where it leads remains to be seen.
 
Something to ponder: USAPA has a fleet minimum with its TA. UAL does not. USAIRWAYS has airplane orders and UAL does not I hear. To pass government scrutiny USAIRWAYS could agree to a UAL pre-bankruptcy arrangement like the AA-TWA deal.

UAL could get rid of their non-profitable routes, aircraft etc.

One good reason for USAPA. This was bantered about LONG ago before USAPA came into being. So you see, its not just about NIC.
 
Personally, I haven't even heard squat from usapa. No letters, no phone calls, no nothing. They really want my input? ha
 
A cynic might say how can it get any easier anyway since there has been nothing to date that indicates that anything other than majority rule is driving anything anyway.
How did you come to that conclusion? Nothing has been done yet. Except to meet with Doug and continue building the union. Staffing the committees and beginning the dialog for the direction we want to take for the future. Therefore I suggest the statement of majority anything is simply fear mongering. You might be surprised what the east thinks on a myriad of issues, but then you'll never know, until after the fact.
I suspect that the West pilots are following legal advice and not just reacting from their gut. What that advice is and where it leads remains to be seen.
In the meantime their lack of membership IMO will not be in their best interests. Oh well.
 
Personally, I haven't even heard squat from usapa. No letters, no phone calls, no nothing. They really want my input? ha
Ha? I expected as much. What have you done to update your contact information? You expect to be led by the hand? Your lack of participation tells me a lot by such a post. If you really want something, why don't you make an effort to get it. Besides, what kind of letter, phone call, anything are you expecting? Most of the contact information you might want is on the website along with phone numbers and e-mail addresses. Try it sometime. Oh that's right, AWAPPA said not to. In that case, you have nothing to complain about.
 
united airlines is in serious financial shape. They are begging us airways for a merger. Delta sent them packing, Continental sent them packing, their banks are going to send them packing if employee groups fight this.


Every consumer and politician should fight the us airways united merger. It will decrease competition and increase fares. It will only line the pockets of the big wigs.
are we having fun yet? The labor groups thought is that we are like an endangered, protected species, when in reality we are nothing more than a wild animal whose survival is dependent upon management's whim.

We think we are more powerful than we really are.

We may kick and scream to for all eternity, but we don't have the power to deny the green light. That green light of a merger announcement.

I don't remember ever having the opportunity to deny a tainted relationship with my fellow east eez.
 
Ha? I expected as much. What have you done to update your contact information? You expect to be led by the hand? Your lack of participation tells me a lot by such a post. If you really want something, why don't you make an effort to get it. Besides, what kind of letter, phone call, anything are you expecting? Most of the contact information you might want is on the website along with phone numbers and e-mail addresses. Try it sometime. Oh that's right, AWAPPA said not to. In that case, you have nothing to complain about.

ALPA sent me an information package as a newhire at two airlines. I'm not complaining, I'm just stating a fact.
 
QUOTE (AAA73Pilot @ May 7 2008, 09:39 AM)
The enemy? But your attitude doesn't surprise me."




"It's my earnest belief that straying from DOH is a perfect prescription for effecting full-blown, trade union meltdown, and endless conflicts and resentments among employee groups as well. What we've seen on this property alone provides ample, empirical evidence for full support of those thoughts."

actually what has happened on this property only shows ample evidence that aaa pilots are just as unreasonable in this merger as you were with united last time.

you guys act like there is no other simple solution but i fail to see what is so unreasonable with having the seniority to hold EXACTLY what you had pre-merger be it a capt seat an fo seat or a seat on you couch at home hoping to get recalled one day. And unlike some people who change there definition of what is right to suit a particular situation I would still want this if we were merging with jet blue and it put people ahead of me who were hired after me. cause they took a risk at a start up and it payed off for them. All of the guys that we got back off the street were just the ones who couldn't get on with southwest or airtran or continental. Those were the smart ones they just said no thanks when the hr lady called.
 
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