Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nycbusdriver]

The ballot committee quit because of the CLT and PHL reps and not because of Hummel. Get your delusion straight Jamie.

 Who cares why they quit.  For the life of me, I can't understand what they hope to accomplish by quitting.  Did they volunteer simply to help SOME of the pilots, or to run elections for ALL of the pilots?  I don't know these three people, but I have lost respect for them (and for a lot of others who resign with little more reason than being in a snit over union politics.)  I hope it makes them feel absolutely wonderful to earn the title "Quitter" in the middle of balloting.  Nice job, fellas.

 

[nycbusdriver]

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[end_of_alpa]

The ballot committee quit because of the CLT and PHL reps and not because of Hummel. Get your delusion straight Jamie.

Prove it. Delusions? What union meeting or BPR meeting have you ever been to? Oh, that's right, a west recall east is the only thing you got.

 

[luvthe9]

The ballot committee quit because of the CLT and PHL reps and not because of Hummel. Get your delusion straight Jamie.

The ballot committe quit because they were asked by Hummel to assure him a win is what's going around. 

 

[luvthe9]

Dan, you have NEVER been to a union meeting so how would you even know?  However, I am more than willing to set the record straight with the FACTS.  MOU I did not have retro pay in it.  Period.  I happen to know exactly what transpired between Roland and MOU I because both he and I were at the CLT domicile meeting a year ago and he was of the opinion that we need to vote this in and "get a better deal later".  FACT.  So we sit on less pay until a JCBA was negotiated.  With the company already violating the MOU we have now just what do you think it would have been like with the original MOU?  
 
So I called Dewitt Ingram the other day and I asked him exactly what happened behind the scenes.  You guys can say what you like about Dewitt but the one thing he has NEVER done is blow his own horn, which is why I called him.  I asked him exactly why MOU II came about.  First, it was apparent that no one in their right mind was going to vote for MOU I that BOTH GARY AND ROLAND negotiated with NAC drafting help.  That was at the meeting in CLT.  The pressure put on the Union and the BPR by Jack Butler, who was the Bankruptcy lawyer for the unsecured creditors committee, gave the union and the BPR a 24 hour deadline to approve the MOU I.  It was Dewitt who came up with the idea that, if the company would grant retrospective pay back to when the MOU II gets approved the BPR would give it unanimous approval.  Dewitt told me that, based on HIS many years of negotiating with both real estate and vehicles, it helps to give up something that has no value to us but has immense value to the other side.  Jack was ECSTATIC!    You see, whether the BPR sent MOU II out with unanimous approval or majority vote still ends with the same result.... it goes out to the rank and file.  But one thing is FOR SURE.... Pete Dugsted and Joe Stein had NO PART in the solution put forth by DeWitt.  NONE.  This was entirely a CLT solution.
 
Dan, you can sit back in the "cheap seats" with Chip and lob hand grenades but i will point out that the lies you and your master Chip put out their are just that.  LIES.  Gary Hummel has been a part of this "leadership" team since his fiasco as EVP.  Gary is a poor communicator and a poor leader.  What is VERY disappointing is Steve Bradford LETS HIM DO IT.  The Ballot committee is quitting and Streble is giving up because of the leadership, or the lack thereof, who has NO support.  There is still more to come with seniority and especially with the JCBA negotiations.  Say what you want about DiOreo and McKee.  I certainly have my differences with Bill but it is these two that are not grinding an axe against Gary.  They are trying to preserve some semblance of negotiating logic with a still to be made document called the JCBA with APA.
 
I'm going back to AB Captain next month.  Be ready Dan.... gear up.

Can't believe you wasted so many words on this idiot.

 

[luvthe9]

 
 
 
Even luvthe9 is bragging about a payraise he voted against.

Happy to have the raise except is was about 82,000 short thanks to guys like you, WDMF's.  Be sure to that your CLT and PHL reps that got you that raise.

 

[Bill Brasky]

The ballot committe quit because they were asked by Hummel to assure him a win is what's going around.

Be serious. Do you even have a clue of the legal implications of what you are spouting? Obviously not. Why not ask them yourself why they left?

There's so much bad info on here it just blows me away. The worst part is that I think some of these folks spouting this stuff make themselves believe it.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Can't believe you wasted so many words on this idiot.

The truth is the best "sword" to inflict pain.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Be serious. Do you even have a clue of the legal implications of what you are spouting? Obviously not. Why not ask them yourself why they left?There's so much bad info on here it just blows me away. The worst part is that I think some of these folks spouting this stuff make themselves believe it.

So, did you ASK them? I did and they won't answer. Their "cryptic" resignation letter speaks volumes in any case.

 

[Phoenix]

 Who cares why they quit.  For the life of me, I can't understand what they hope to accomplish by quitting.  Did they volunteer simply to help SOME of the pilots, or to run elections for ALL of the pilots?  I don't know these three people, but I have lost respect for them (and for a lot of others who resign with little more reason than being in a snit over union politics.)  I hope it makes them feel absolutely wonderful to earn the title "Quitter" in the middle of balloting.  Nice job, fellas.

 
 
Can't argue with that.  Counting ballots is the most non political position in the union.  And the whole reason we left ALPA was because our votes were being ignored or flouted by the "leaders" because they knew better and had to protect the members from themselves.  
 
Too bad these three got played into becoming what they were supposed to prevent.  Will they have a link for donations soon?  
 
Even worse in this case they pretend to quit so they could write their political rant, but immediately expressed a willingness to still count the votes if the BPR asks them too.  
 
Who paid for their little strategy?  
 
Is this another "play" by the self-proclaimed king of players?  

 

[Res Judicata]

Happy to have the raise except is was about 82,000 short thanks to guys like you, WDMF's.  Be sure to that your CLT and PHL reps that got you that raise.

Thank the APA. Loudmouth fatass scabs like you have done nothing...and the CLT inbreds think they're going to gain control of your fake union at this late hour? Why? Not happy until every bodies careers become as devalued as your own?

You idiots don't have the very FIRST clue how to be a labor union. Be thankful the APA gifted you enough leverage to get off loa 93. You didn't have a say in the MOU, and no one is listening to USCABA now or ever.

No Recall!!

 

[Phoenix]

So, did you ASK them? I did and they won't answer. Their "cryptic" resignation letter speaks volumes in any case.

 
 
Did they have a professional marketing team invent their strategy.  They feign resignation to write a rant, and at the same time agree to still count the votes one last time.  Seems to me they got played to sell out.  

 

[Phoenix]

 
So, by your own proud admission, you're now just a "clever" little con man? Oh well, anyone hanging around chip...etc. Whatever happened to "LT Hardy" and all that "Honor" BS?

 
 
I know where he can get an integrity T-shirt.  Heck one might already be in the mail, "honorary wolf" and shiite.  

 

[Res Judicata]

 And the whole reason we left ALPA was because our votes were being

Wrong. You thought you could steal the careers of others to make up for your own failures. That's why you left ALPA.

It didn't work and it cost you dearly. Keep the USAPA Lanyard, when you figure out how much they've cost you, you'll need it to hang yourself.

 

[EastUS1]

The ballot committee quit because of the CLT and PHL reps and not because of Hummel. Get your delusion straight Jamie.

 
And...you pretend to "know this"....how?