Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Ames]

BS. We never even got that far with UA. One guy says "Where can I get my 747 manual?" and the Marvins freaked out.
 
Yeah they got the pretty girl, but they still aren't happy! They are the most complaining pilot group in the nation.

Nope.  That distinction belongs solidly to the East US Airways pilots.

 

[Pi brat]

Nope.  That distinction belongs solidly to the East US Airways pilots.

Nope, UA with cactus types in a close second. Remember all the crew news videos? What group really showed their rears on those? Which group has made juvenile youTube and goat videos?
 
I hate to break this to you, because I know it's really what you want for Christmas, but even in the worst case scenario with the west, the times have changed and the Nic wouldn't be as bad now.
 
Merry Christmas!

 

[A320 Driver]

My guess the real reason you are leaving the board is that the writing is on the wall and you are about to face the Nicolau list put into effect.  You can't handle the reality.  It's the whole reason I have come back to this board..... to witness the east reaction/implosion.  Promises to provide all of the enjoyment we Westies have been waiting for.

You either need a reality check or a CT Scan. Just because the company wants to take the fastest road out of the current East-West seniority debacle doesn't mean for one second that you will get the NIC award.

 

[Ames]

You either need a reality check or a CT Scan. Just because the company wants to take the fastest road out of the current East-West seniority debacle doesn't mean for one second that you will get the NIC award.

I have in my possession a letter signed by Doug Parker accepting the Nicolau list, implementation upon single contract.  We're there.  It would be an uphill battle for him to do anything else and we all know that Doug doesn't run uphill.

 

[Piedmont1984]

I read the merger committee update the day it was released. It states that the committee would not attend any meetings with AOL present UNLESS the court orders otherwise. Based on considerable anecdotal evidence, a significant probability exists that the court will do exactly that, at least the lower court. My concern is that the union be prepared for that eventuality. My worry is they feel a plan B is unnecessary. It also doesn't hurt to attend ALL meetings with the company and AOL. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

'84

 

[Piedmont1984]

I have in my possession a letter signed by Doug Parker accepting the Nicolau list, implementation upon single contract.  We're there.  It would be an uphill battle for him to do anything else and we all know that Doug doesn't run uphill.

You should also have in your possession an MOU which stipulates the status of all prior agreements, contracts and sundry documents, which provides Parker with a ski slope.

 

[Res Judicata]

I read the merger committee update the day it was released. It states that the committee would not attend any meetings with AOL present UNLESS the court orders otherwise. Based on considerable anecdotal evidence, a significant probability exists that the court will do exactly that, at least the lower court. My concern is that the union be prepared for that eventuality. My worry is they feel a plan B is unnecessary. It also doesn't hurt to attend ALL meetings with the company and AOL. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
'84

Here's the primary problem with your fake union and the serious work the serious men do in it: They're idiots.

Someone should explain to them that "fingers crossed" promises just makes them look like insolent little fools. An agreement between adults doesn't require a prerequisite to

A: Rig the results

and

B: Become only honored if the unknown works out to your favor and to your liking.

I don't know what the hell is in the Water back East, but a more embarrassing ship of fools has never been observed. Does the MOU exist if it gets ignored? Does ignoring the MOU stop the largest airline merger in History?

If you're a USCABA idiot, it's a rhetorical question.

 

[Pi brat]

  We're there.

No, you're not.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Here's the primary problem with your fake union and the serious work the serious men do in it: They're idiots.
Someone should explain to them that "fingers crossed" promises just makes them look like insolent little fools. An agreement between adults doesn't require a prerequisite to
A: Rig the results
and
B: Become only honored if the unknown works out to your favor and to your liking.
I don't know what the hell is in the Water back East, but a more embarrassing ship of fools has never been observed. Does the MOU exist if it gets ignored? Does ignoring the MOU stop the largest airline merger in History?
If you're a USCABA idiot, it's a rhetorical question.

You are accusing me of ignoring what the MOU signifies. IOW, what you believe it triggers.

I am accusing you of ignoring what the MOU actually says. IOW, the words explicitly articulated within the document itself.

 

[Res Judicata]

You are accusing me of ignoring what the MOU signifies. IOW, what you believe it triggers.
I am accusing you of ignoring what the MOU actually says. IOW, the words explicitly articulated within the document itself.

My Lawyer OBVIOUSLY lied to the West. He could have taken the stand to explain, but he refused. None of my union leadership can answer a thing about 10h. I was told the MOU said one thing and after it was signed my fake union insists it says the opposite. Ever wonder why 90% of the dues you pay end up paying for lawyers? If you don't have a problem with scumanski a lies, You apparently have all the personal integrity of your fake union.

 

[Graceson]

You either need a reality check or a CT Scan. Just because the company wants to take the fastest road out of the current East-West seniority debacle doesn't mean for one second that you will get the NIC award.

I'm never opposed to compromise. But, in the absence of compromise, I am opposed to the overt attempt to manage expectations. Some are already willing to unilaterally concede rights that would not be conceded to the east should the shoe be on the other foot.

How many times has this group depreciated its own self-worth and yielded to this strategy of managed expectations? How many times has this group freely yielded its few weapons and tools of leverage with each assault of managed expectations? How many times has this group found that in has regressed further from mere equitable treatment in commonly accepted fair standards we see around us?

At what point will this group recognize the highly effective strategy of managed expectations, resist the temptation to concede its sense of worth, and hold on to the few remaining laws, venues, and platforms that others envy. Laws, venues and platforms that others would certainly not concede to you.

 

[Piedmont1984]

My Lawyer OBVIOUSLY lied to the West. He could have taken the stand to explain, but he refused. None of my union leadership can answer a thing about 10h. I was told the MOU said one thing and after it was signed my fake union insists it says the opposite. Ever wonder why 90% of the dues you pay end up paying for lawyers? If you don't have a problem with scumanski a lies, You apparently have all the personal integrity of your fake union.

You and your REAL lawyer obviously needed a translator for 10h. I and the lawyer you despise and regularly excoriate did not.

 

[Piedmont1984]

I'm never opposed to compromise. But, in the absence of compromise, I am opposed to the overt attempt to manage expectations. Some are already willing to unilaterally concede rights that would not be conceded to the east should the shoe be on the other foot.
How many times has this group depreciated its own self-worth and yielded to this strategy of managed expectations? How many times has this group freely yielded its few weapons and tools of leverage with each assault of managed expectations? How many times has this group found that in has regressed further from mere equitable treatment in commonly accepted fair standards we see around us?
At what point will this group recognize the highly effective strategy of managed expectations, resist the temptation to concede its sense of worth, and hold on to the few remaining laws, venues, and platforms that others envy. Laws, venues and platforms that others would certainly not concede to you.

I like and agree with your sentiment, but you need to incorporate the reality of the injunction, and how we stumbled into it, as part of your observation.

 

[Graceson]

I like and agree with your sentiment, but you need to incorporate the reality of the injunction, and how we stumbled into it, as part of your observation.

That affair was a foolish gamble absent of anything resembling leverage.

In fact it was an act of desperation after recognizing too late the consequences of previous trades where strength and leverage were exchanged for nothing more than hope and promises of good faith.

But the focus is on where the group is going, only looking back to prudently learn from mistakes, not be consumed and distracted by them.

 

[Freighterguynow]

No, you're not.

Well, HE is but the rest of us not so much.