Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

Yawn.......

 
It's admittedly difficult to argue with eloquent brilliance of that magnitude, but questions yet remain. Since supposedly "All parties expressed regret that USAPA had decided not to participate in the Protocol Agreement negotiation process (as required by the MOU),"....."but proceeded to engage in meaningful discussions without its participation.", Well then; why aren't the APA and the company just all over the idea of continuing "meaningful discussions" with the noble AOL?  Why not just "spartan"-up and tell 'em all what's what and that AOL's really running the show? Are "you'se" just too busy yawning to attempt any actual thought about that?...Much less any coherent response? 😉
 
No matter. Just click to donate....Suckers. http://leonidas.cact...ions_OCT13.html

 

[snapthis]

You know that you don't have to pay your dues to USAPA, right? And if you get a letter telling you that they will fire you, just ignore it.

I'd be happy to pay dues to the APA rather than extortion to USAPA.

 

[EastUS1]

I'd be happy to pay dues to the APA rather than extortion to USAPA.

 So, all we can expect to receive as supposed "thought" from "you'se" here is "Yawn" and Waah!...? As always...Thanks for the dependable chuckles. 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
Donations must be slowing down.  The "Contributors List" (shake down list) has been pulled down and they have promised a new publication of the list "soon" for many months now.
 
http://www.thepushforjustice.com/contributors.html

 
Hmm..."Contributor's Names to be Announced"..? In fairness; no mention of when is made, and "soon", in geological or space travel terms, can be quite generous where time's concerned. 😉

 

[Graceson]

December 22, 2013

West Merger Committee Update


The following update has been published on behalf of the West Merger Committee:



Dear Former AWA Pilots,

Recently the nine Addington plaintiffs, in their role as Class Representatives, appointed the five of us to an autonomous West Merger Committee to represent the interests of the West class members in the upcoming Seniority Integration Process. After being appointed, we immediately began working together to determine what we should be prepared for in the coming weeks.

As many of you are aware, the MOU dictates a very specific time frame for how the Seniority Integration Process must proceed. The first step of the process is that the parties have 30 days after the close of the merger to agree on a Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement (Protocol Agreement). The day after the merged closed, December 10, 2013, management of New American sent an invitation to the West Class counsel, Marty Harper, along with counsel for APA and USAPA, inviting each of their clients respective merger committees to attend an initial protocol agreement meeting in Washington, DC on December 20th. This action is consistent with the legal position taken by the Company in their court filings, where they have repeatedly stated that the West Pilots are entitled to separate representation of our own choosing in the seniority integration process with the American Airlines pilots.

In preparation for this meeting, your West Merger Committee and counsel engaged in multiple conference calls and collaborated to draft an initial proposal for a protocol agreement. Our meetings included a face to face prep session on December 18th after which we all traveled to Washington for the meeting with the Company and APA. Prior to the meeting, USAPA indicated to the Company and APA that it would not attend if the West Pilots were in attendance. The other three parties met as planned on the morning of the 20th, at the DC offices of O'Melveny and Myers. Present on behalf of the company were Paul Jones (Vice-President Legal Affairs), Beth Holdren (Managing Director Labor Relations) and O'Melveny attorneys Robert Siegel and Chris Hollinger. In attendance on behalf of APA were its General Counsel, Ed James and Seniority Integration Committee Chairman Marc Stephens. All parties expressed regret that USAPA had decided not to participate in the Protocol Agreement negotiation process (as required by the MOU), but proceeded to engage in meaningful discussions without its participation.

There are no further meetings scheduled at this time with respect to the Protocol Agreement, but we anticipate we will continue to work with APA on this agreement.

Lastly, we appreciate the trust and support the Class Representatives (that is, the Addington Plaintiffs) and all West pilots have placed in our committee. While we are still in the early days of working together as a committee and have much work yet to do, we are pleased with the immediate atmosphere of cooperation and trust enjoyed by our team.

Sincerely,

Doug, Dave, Russ, Johan and Eric
West Merger Committee

Doesn't gush with promise.

Sort of like: Once upon a time..................The End.

 

[Pi brat]

I'd be happy to pay dues to the APA rather than extortion to USAPA.

It's not extortion, just what you agreed to in your contract. That's what you guys are all about, right? Living up to your obligations. Please, Please, don't pay it!
 
E of A, I believe you have a present for this jackwagon, don't you?

 

[traderjake]

You know that you don't have to pay your dues to USAPA, right? And if you get a letter telling you that they will fire you, just ignore it.

 
Soon none of us will have to pay dues to USAPA.
 
That letter is not really that scary. 

 

[Pi brat]

Soon none of us will have to pay dues to USAPA. That letter is not really that scary.

Ohh, big tough section 29 guy. I bet you told them to stick it and didn't pay, right?

 

[snapthis]

It's not extortion, just what you agreed to in your contract. That's what you guys are all about, right? Living up to your obligations. Please, Please, don't pay it!
 
E of A, I believe you have a present for this jackwagon, don't you?

Presents?

Let him know I'm not interested in USAPA's Apple II.

I've talked with folks who might be interested in a missing laptop.

 

[Freighterguynow]

I'd be happy to pay dues to the APA

The daily West prognostications to your assuredly bright future with the APA.

Duly noted - give it a few months not days and we'll see.

 

[traderjake]

Ohh, big tough section 29 guy. I bet you told them to stick it and didn't pay, right?

 
I did for a year, section 29 firing threatening tough guy.

 

[traderjake]

 Prior to the meeting, USAPA indicated to the Company and APA that it would not attend if the West Pilots were in attendance. The other three parties met as planned on the morning of the 20th, at the DC offices of O'Melveny and Myers. Present on behalf of the company were Paul Jones (Vice-President Legal Affairs), Beth Holdren (Managing Director Labor Relations) and O'Melveny attorneys Robert Siegel and Chris Hollinger. In attendance on behalf of APA were its General Counsel, Ed James and Seniority Integration Committee Chairman Marc Stephens. All parties expressed regret that USAPA had decided not to participate in the Protocol Agreement negotiation process (as required by the MOU), but proceeded to engage in meaningful discussions without its participation.

 
Has USAPA filed a lawsuit against APA yet for violating the MOU?
 
Is USAPA going to boycott the MB arbitration if the West shows up?

 

[Res Judicata]

Has USAPA filed a lawsuit against APA yet for violating the MOU? Is USAPA going to boycott the MB arbitration if the West shows up?

They should. They couldn't be more irrelevant.

 

[Piedmont1984]

I recall that someone here predicted a 3 way 🙂 If and when Silver finally issues her ruling and if she grants separate status to the west, then until the 9th rules otherwise, we have a 3 way. I would speculate that this is what the UCC wanted all along. We already know this is what the company wants. This is what a large minority of our pilot group (which feels put upon) wants and this is what Silver would like to deliver (based on her rhetoric this past year).

Bold predictions regarding RLA law and NMB lawyers parachuting in to nip things in the bud remain to be seen, but it's getting late. Unless an immediate injunction is issued after Silver rules, USAPA must formulate a 3 way game plan. This is called a plan B.

I hope we have one this time. Being absent from the first protocol meeting indicates we don't have one yet.

Instead, we are already being distracted by a self destructive recall circus.

Through no fault of his own, our president suffered a heart attack and can no longer fly an airplane. Exceptional times require exceptions. I prefer he continue to fly our union.

'84

 

[Freighterguynow]

 
Is USAPA going to boycott the MB arbitration if the West shows up?

More on topic:

Will a panel of 3 Arbitrators unanimously agree (1) to include an LLC (2) that neither is a party to the arbitration agreement (3) nor has any standing under the RLA (4) which gave them the MB authority in the first place (5) ?