Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[737823]

Nothing with bait, I asked a reasonable question, remind everyone how many stations DL has closed since the IAM decertification. Pretty sure its just one small station and ANC cargo, no?

Josh

 

[Black Magic]

+1

I look for united to be at around 80% part time in a couple years, sorta like ups. That doesnt include the ready reserve in the ua contract that is named "temp agent'. The temp agents can work a consecutive run of 5 months and arent considered active nor do they accrue seniority although they can get 8 hours a day anx are forced to pay dues. I would imagine that dl management has something to point at.

Not only United, but businesses in general will only be hiring part time.  You can thank the "anointed one" Obama for that.

 

[P. REZ]

Nothing political about it. Dont forget, you engaged me and asked me the questions. My only advice or imput i know to encourage you with is to stick to your guns of what you and others have said on here. A release or not, and single carrier or not, stick to what our focus is said to be. Nothing is going to come easy so panic mode shouldnt be an option.
We cant control management but we can control our actions.

Tim,
 
I hear you and I am offering to discuss what you think will help this membership. Why wait? That goes for anybody else out there too. If there is an idea that anyone has to help this membership, great. 6 people trying to solve problems isn't as good as 10, 15 or even 50 minds.
 
P. Rez  

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim, unlike Hawaiian there is no restriction on part-time, so nothing is stopping UA from cutting back highly seasonal stations and only hiring for the peak season, right? Are temps charged IAM initiation fee?Josh

Nothing. As i deucated and informed our people, the lies and deception from our current eboard thickened. The district guaranteed ft status for all full timers but did so only verbally. I managed to lock some of their responses on fb so those statements are still observable. Sociopath and jet job also locked in their lies on this forum.

 

[737823]

Nothing. As i deucated and informed our people, the lies and deception from our current eboard thickened. The district guaranteed ft status for all full timers but did so only verbally. I managed to lock some of their responses on fb so those statements are still observable. Sociopath and jet job also locked in their lies on this forum.

Tim, there needs to be accountability within the district of those who knowingly and purposefully misled the membership to vote in this BS. Most employees do not have the time or resources to familiarize themselves with the intricacies of CBA language. You have people on here who defend this crap saying "the membership ratified it", well they only ratified because they misled and many people were sick and tired after four years of unsuccessful negotiations. Easy to blame the company but given the merger 141 really could have capitalized on their leverage much better. Do you think the F/As will come out better since they stood their ground and demanded CBA before JCBA talks?

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I hear you and I am offering to discuss what you think will help this membership. Why wait? That goes for anybody else out there too. If there is an idea that anyone has to help this membership, great. 6 people trying to solve problems isn't as good as 10, 15 or even 50 minds.
 
P. Rez

Prez
What you guys have preached "contract now" before joint talks is the right path and none of us, as far as i know, want to change that. The only thing anyone can add is simply to encourage the nc to hold firm. Imo filing for a release shows that things have been exhausted so it is just a matter of management realizing you guys arent bluffing and have the support of the things that matter.

It takes two so the nc has to make sure it isnt circumvented and that it doesnt further the merger for management.Obviously we dont have all the answers and dont know when or if management becomes reasonable. Certainly i dont think the inion is being unreasonable.

 

[mike33]

Tim,
 
I hear you and I am offering to discuss what you think will help this membership. Why wait? That goes for anybody else out there too. If there is an idea that anyone has to help this membership, great. 6 people trying to solve problems isn't as good as 10, 15 or even 50 minds.
 
P. Rez  

I think more than 50 minds with ideas also convolutes the process at hand. We don't know what the " Air" is in the negotiating room if thats what ur asking? You need support to do the right thing. Most of us know what the right thing is. We have your backs, but don't turn your backs on us when the company starts to flex whatever they have to flex. As long as the majority is educated we can hold out. My worry, and I'm throwing pebbles not stones, is the west. They gained the most and haven't experienced the loss yet except for LAS and some smaller stations. Some got upwards of 5$ raises with our merger. Good for them......but.....they are the ones who need the most info or we all lose. 

 

[Kev3188]

Nothing with bait, I asked a reasonable question, remind everyone how many stations DL has closed since the IAM decertification. Pretty sure its just one small station and ANC cargo, no?

Josh

Oh your question is reasonable enough (albeit leading); it was the rest of the dog whistle messaging around it I object to.

At any rate, off the top of my head: ANC airfreight, the MEM wind down, Sim techs in MSP, stock clerk "realignment," and I can't help but think I'm forgetting one that'll come to me as soon as I hit "post."

Maybe the better question here is this: The company has crafted a dandy little narrative about insourcing, yet hasn't opened (or reopened) a single new point since the merger. Why not?

Lastly, let's (collectively) stop rationalizing station closures by saying "they're just small stations." Nothing's "small" about people losing their livelihoods or having to uproot...

 

[Kev3188]

Why wait? That goes for anybody else out there too. If there is an idea that anyone has to help this membership, great.

I see no shortage of ideas from your membership in these threads alone. Surely a guy with his ear to the ground like you gets plenty of feedback from your people?

 

[P. REZ]

I see no shortage of ideas from your membership in these threads alone. Surely a guy with his ear to the ground like you gets plenty of feedback from your people?

Kev,
 
I do get feedback but if someone like TN has an idea and wants to discuss, I will. It never hurts to have debates about ideas and what may help the membership in the long run.
 
P. Rez

 

[robbedagain]

Scope protection for what we have now must stay and be enhanced along w better wages benes esp given we are the largest carrier... definitely dont need a ual or a hal type agreement prez may be a 401k match or more put into the iam pension

 

[700UW]

This is the IAM Kev...and with no motivation to gain dues payers you can expect negotiations to last awhile.

Josh

Really?
 
You are truly clueless, the NMB controls the negotiations, not the IAM.
 
And this is how stupid you are, if they get a new CBA, wages go up and dues are based on two times the hourly wage per classification at most stations, dues go up, the IAM gets more money.
 
You are just a pot stirrer.

 

[700UW]

I wish everybody could at some point in their career be a part of the negotiating process. Until you are, it is hard to understand how things happen the way they do.
 
To answer your question, hell yes. This is a focused strong group at US. 

Pat,
 
They are truly clueless, you are 100% on point, I was on the M&R NC during bankruptcy part 2, these people have no idea of what a grueling process it is.

 

[700UW]

[SIZE=24pt]IAM Meets with National Mediation Board and US Airways[/SIZE]

December 18, 2013

       
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The National Mediation Board (NMB) exercised its authority to call a short notice meeting between the leadership of the IAM and US Airways at the NMB offices in Washington, DC on December 17, 2013 to discuss the status of ongoing negotiations. The meeting was not for the purpose of negotiations that would otherwise occur at the bargaining table, but rather for the purpose of the Board to discuss directly with the parties the current status of negotiations.

We were advised by the Board of a change in mediators assigned to the US Airways cases from two mediators to one for all mediated negotiations. Mediator Walter Darr, who was assigned to the mechanic & related negotiations, will now be assigned to all IAM-US Airways negotiations. We were also advised that the Board intends to schedule future negotiations after the New Year holiday with specific dates yet to be determined.

There is no change in any bargaining position as a result of this meeting; however, it is possible that having the ability to express our issues in the controlled environment of the NMB offices may lead to productive talks when we meet for our next bargaining sessions. We shall see.

All of the IAM wishes to thank the US Airways members for your continued support and solidarity. By sticking together, we​

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[737823]

Really?
 
You are truly clueless, the NMB controls the negotiations, not the IAM.
 
And this is how stupid you are, if they get a new CBA, wages go up and dues are based on two times the hourly wage per classification at most stations, dues go up, the IAM gets more money.
 
You are just a pot stirrer.

True, but not to the tune they would bring in new dues from a newly organized group ratifying their first CBA.

Josh