Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[T5towbar]

Plus none knows when the insourcing will begin. All I heard is that DGS in MCO won't be getting their contract renewed (they work the sCO side of the ramp - sUA works the other half) People want to transfer into these larger stations that have split ops, but that's frozen as of now.

I'm still trying to find out the status of my station since I'm off today. So far I heard about 120 downgrades but no furloughs. If that is the case, that will really muck up the operation since that means about 70 or so Leads will be downgraded. We already had our downgrades and furloughs in May, but I guess they need more. That screws up the staffing and trading big time since they just upgraded 25 of them (most junior) in Sept. I thought we'd be spared since Cargo came over and 150 got furloughed and another 100 plus got downgraded.

Bottom line, its going to be a mess. We are working short as it is now and the FT to PT ratio isn't working as well as planned. Some work areas are already short now.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Plus none knows when the insourcing will begin. All I heard is that DGS in MCO won't be getting their contract renewed (they work the sCO side of the ramp - sUA works the other half) People want to transfer into these larger stations that have split ops, but that's frozen as of now.I'm still trying to find out the status of my station since I'm off today. So far I heard about 120 downgrades but no furloughs. If that is the case, that will really muck up the operation since that means about 70 or so Leads will be downgraded. We already had our downgrades and furloughs in May, but I guess they need more. That screws up the staffing and trading big time since they just upgraded 25 of them (most junior) in Sept. I thought we'd be spared since Cargo came over and 150 got furloughed and another 100 plus got downgraded.Bottom line, its going to be a mess. We are working short as it is now and the FT to PT ratio isn't working as well as planned. Some work areas are already short now.

alex p said 36 furlough and 124 ft displaced to pt.

 

[mike33]

 
 
So how much fraud do you commit in either the $13 Billion or $800 Million fraud YOU and YOUR Employer JP Morgan committed against the public?
How many people lost everything because of the criminal actions of you and your company?

the real Question is how many lost their lives because of it?

 

[700UW]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/06/harry-engel-death-jpmorgan-chase_n_1651715.html

 

[737823]

Outsourcing will certainly come to pass. The agreement / contract allows it in all but the mentioned stations. The process of taking bids from vendors takes some time; but you can rest assurred UA will get it done.With a green light from the union and the membership they would be foolish not to. The hits are going to keep coming at UA; thanks in large part to the district's TA and the subsequent ratification by the membership.

I hope you and the US NC are holding the line on scope. It will be difficult to not get a UA type agreement now that is the "industry standard".

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

With a green light from the union and the membership they would be foolish not to. The hits are going to keep coming at UA; thanks in large part to the district's TA and the subsequent ratification by the membership.

If their ineptitude at the table and subsequent fear campaign doesn't meet the legal threshold of DFR, it certainly should...
 
 

Bottom line, its going to be a mess.

Indeed.
 

IIt will be difficult to not get a UA type agreement now that is the "industry standard".

Josh

Difficult, but not impossible. It just takes some courage.

 

[Jester]

I hope you and the US NC are holding the line on scope. It will be difficult to not get a UA type agreement now that is the "industry standard".

Josh

Ultimately, the power to reject any agreement is with the rank and file with a "No" vote.  While few people are happy with the existing CBA, a UA or HA agreement would be worse, and should be roundly rejected if the IAM brings it to its members.  The CBAs never expire, but just become amended, but of course, there would be no pay raises for those topped-out.  Unfortunately, most of these agreements appear to be a scheming conspiracy with Management and union negotiators of divide and conquer of the membership by promising one group something at the expense of other members, just to get something passed.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ultimately, the power to reject any agreement is with the rank and file with a "No" vote.  While few people are happy with the existing CBA, a UA or HA agreement would be worse, and should be roundly rejected if the IAM brings it to its members.  The CBAs never expire, but just become amended, but of course, there would be no pay raises for those topped-out.  Unfortunately, most of these agreements appear to be a scheming conspiracy with Management and union negotiators of divide and conquer of the membership by promising one group something at the expense of other members, just to get something passed.

The usair contract looks like a blast from the past when compared to how our district officers rape F hal and ual.
Ual will suffer more pain when management is allowed to raise the health care unrestricted one time this march.

As it stands, onlt southwest and usair are left with decent health care and full time protections in place due to part time restrictions. And much better scope even though our scope is lousy.

 

[ograc]

I hope you and the US NC are holding the line on scope. It will be difficult to not get a UA type agreement now that is the "industry standard".

Josh

Josh,
Please be advised I am not on the US NC. I have, however, through numerous past posts been a strong advocate of the importance of meaningful scope language to protect existing work. The recently negotiated and ratified agreement with UA and the district is a complete failure regarding scope and the protection of represented jobs. The most recent announcement of furloughs and displacements from FT to PT is just the tip of the iceburg of what is to come at UA. I, likewise, am hopeful the US NC holds the line and seeks improvements in our current CBA regarding scope. Subsequently, based on what this district agreed to at UA, it certainly seems to put them behind the eight ball so to speak.

 

[700UW]

Flight schedule is showing an A330 doing CLT-PHX again for the month of March.
 
Just an FYI for the PHX IAM folks.

 

[cltrat]

a paper was being passed around in CLT last night showing how the UA members have not gotten retro or their raises yet but they are getting lay off and ft down to part time notices.
Where is Klemm or Bartz or Dave to tell us again what an industry leading contract they got the members. Yeah it was industry leading..... from UA's point of view.
I'd be willing to bet those douches already have their bonuses from the union.
What a farce!

 

[700UW]

Maybe if you took the time to inform yourself you would know they are getting it in their checks on Dec 15.

But you would rather attack instead of educating yourself.

And the union doesn't pay bonuses.

Who voted on their cba?

 

[cltrat]

who brought that trash to them and told em how great it was , they deserve to be attacked

 

[700UW]

They read the language and voted for it, now didnt they?
 
The IAM isnt the Negotiating Committee or the reps, its the members.
 
See now look at the Boeing employees, they stuck together and VOTED DOWN their CBA.
 
Why didnt UA/CO do that too?

 

[cltrat]

whatever I'll always think for my self and not be a union stooge
and yes the IAM is the committee the NC isn't elected it's appointed and by who? the IAM
I;ve seen too many people who I thought were good men when they got their hands on that 125k salary become nothing more than yes men to where their check come from.