Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[P. REZ]

T5 you don't see Jetjob or Socphat13 either one because both are on the IAM (and your) dime.They got what they wanted after selling the UA membership a pig in a poke. Now they are off celebrating, they are beyond disgusting.

Has it been proven who they are? I have never seen any Union rep of any kind celebrate people getting furloughed etc. I hope you are wrong.
 
P. Rez   

 

[cltrat]

It would be great to have a realistic threat of a strike but there is a better chance of me flying an F-22 than that.

 

[cltrat]

Has it been proven who they are? I have never seen any Union rep of any kind celebrate people getting furloughed etc. I hope you are wrong.
 
P. Rez

P Rez I feel extremely confident both are who I think they are

 

[ChockJockey]

maybe the members would find it easier to vote no if union leaders were not falsely telling them how great a bs agreement is.
What members CAN do is everything possible to vote such leaders out of office.Some accountability is called for.

 
Exactly.  The IAM negotiated a **** sandwich of a contract and endorsed it to the membership as bacon-wrapped filet mignon.  You can't propagandize for a certain outcome, blame people when they choose it, and then think you can walk away with your hands clean.
 

Has it been proven who they are?

 
I don't know who they are, but it's obvious by their posts that they're schmucks.

 

[LD3]

Pension question.... If you were to become totally disabled would you start drawing your pension immediately?
 
Thanks

 

[700UW]

The IAMNPF or the terminated pension?

 

[LD3]

The IAM

 

[700UW]

Would you like me to find out for you?

 

[roabilly]

Pension question.... If you were to become totally disabled would you start drawing your pension immediately?
 
Thanks

This may help... click on link below, then download the PDF... scroll to page 17...
 
IAMNPF INFO

 

[LD3]

Thanks everyone....good info..

 

[LD3]

Would you like me to find out for you?

Thanks for the offer 700, roa linked some good info..

 

[Tim Nelson]

When Tim answered one of my questions on the UA Forum, that sealed my "NO" vote and everything being wrote is coming to pass.

(The temporary full time ready reserve will be used not only to stop ot but also to void out vacancies. The company determines such things. No matter how you slice it, same as delta ready reserve. The iam just sticks a iam logo on them and takes their dues. This coupled with unlimited part time and the reduction of full time will be great pain.
As far as the 7 stations, thats it. Socopath can say that its impossible to fit 10,000 non protected employees in 7 stations but that is just a straw man argument.
Saying 96% are protected is another straw man.

Hell, we have the same 1999 protections at usair but our most senior station, buf, got contracted out. In fact 60 stations got contracted out with those protections. Why? Because they are only seniority protections that allow someone to displace a junior agent. If i said 100% of all united employees have seniority protections, that would be correct because your reduction in force article gives protections to displace anyways..
Job protection means "whose work is this?" Focus should be on 7 stations and each contract. For ramp, any station in the usa can b contracted out other than 7. Stl or ind can beef up to 250 flights a day and have hub status and still be contracted out. Otoh, ord can be downsized as the company shidts its mainline midwest conx flights to non union cle. Iad can be downsized for ewr and they can displace ewr agents with an influx of iad agents.

They can also take the same number of employees and reduce full time equivalents by having full timers shift to part time. All they have to do is claim a new headcount compliment based on flight activity, flight shidting or even due to financial concerns.
None of these seniority protections would protect anyone, even if someone has 40 years. Remember, seniority protections are ONLY displacement rights.)

I hear ya T5towbar, also going over Jet Job and Sociopath's post of yestermonth, you see the same strawman argument that Delaney gave.   Full time commitments, 98% guarantees, etc.  Most of this stuff is the biggest lie in Labor since the creation of earth.  The damage is so extensive, it will be hard to duplicate it at US AIRWAYS and have them bite on the same apple as the United members.

 

[pjirish317]

I am concerned about history repeating itself here at US. As are a lot of people I work with at my station. They are worried that the same thing will happen that happened in 2005, that the Hubs will cast off the smaller stations to cover their own aS#es.That wound just won't heal up in some peoples minds. I have to believe that this isn't true anymore, and that ultimately they will see that someday it could happen to them, and that our NC will not let that happen. I truly believe that our NC has every station on their mind to look out for not just the CLT's, PHL's or PHX's. Only time will tell if history will or will not repeat itself, but I have the optimistic outlook that it will not. We have to stand together in this fight to prevail. Stay strong, stay unified, and work by the rules that the company sets. Stay safe everybody.

 

[cltrat]

I hear ya T5towbar, also going over Jet Job and Sociopath's post of yestermonth, you see the same strawman argument that Delaney gave.   Full time commitments, 98% guarantees, etc.  Most of this stuff is the biggest lie in Labor since the creation of earth.  The damage is so extensive, it will be hard to duplicate it at US AIRWAYS and have them bite on the same apple as the United members.

I was told people Jetjob and Socphat13 don't gain anything when an agreement that is signed. I don't see how that can be true. What other reason would they have to work so hard selling a piece of crap? I will wager most anything that when we get something to vote on a couple of clowns like that will show up to sell it.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I am concerned about history repeating itself here at US. As are a lot of people I work with at my station. They are worried that the same thing will happen that happened in 2005, that the Hubs will cast off the smaller stations to cover their own aS#es.That wound just won't heal up in some peoples minds. I have to believe that this isn't true anymore, and that ultimately they will see that someday it could happen to them, and that our NC will not let that happen. I truly believe that our NC has every station on their mind to look out for not just the CLT's, PHL's or PHX's. Only time will tell if history will or will not repeat itself, but I have the optimistic outlook that it will not. We have to stand together in this fight to prevail. Stay strong, stay unified, and work by the rules that the company sets. Stay safe everybody.

i think a few things changed in 2008. For instance phl and clt voted strongly against the 2008 contract while only two small stations did (tpa and ord). The small stations voted like 90% mostly to abolish the class 2 pay system.

But whatever the case in 2014, imo, the district leadership will do something stupid against what it has been saying. You can go back to 2003 on this page or go back just a couple months but one thing holds true, they talk agood game then flip like pancakes and will justify it.

They are salavating at getting the twu members under the iampf so dont be surprised in new legal maneuvers to blow smoke and sell something that leaves plenty more desired.

As long as our people are educated then they wont be fooled with a lying kiss and wont mind being smacked with truth. United members rathered being kissed with the lie.