Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

The members of the NC dont ratify the CBA, that would be the membership, now wouldnt it?
 
I thought you were smarter than that and understand the process, but its apparent you dont, no wonder why you dont have a new CBA,.
 
You are a just a member of a union, not a union member.

 

[robbedagain]

I dont think the iam should have reached that kind of agreement in the first place but sadly they got that deal the members voted it in. It sucks all the way around

 

[cltrat]

I dont think the iam should have reached that kind of agreement in the first place but sadly they got that deal the members voted it in. It sucks all the way around

no it doesnt' robbed just listen to 700 it's all the poor stupid members fault, never mind the people who sold the agreement as the greatest of all time. Where is the accountability for them according to him there isn't any

 

[cltrat]

The members of the NC dont ratify the CBA, that would be the membership, now wouldnt it?
 
I thought you were smarter than that and understand the process, but its apparent you dont, no wonder why you dont have a new CBA,.
 
You are a just a member of a union, not a union member.

you've said a lot of clueless thing here but this is close to the top.
I tell you what I am still here and living under this every day so until you are you have zero right to judge me.

 

[robbedagain]

Rat the only reason ual came up w that type is to get rid of as many long timers as they possibly can the leadership at the iam said to have the members vote on it but thats where the accountability was lost... I dont think they proof read everything just look at our 08 contract for example

 

[cltrat]

Rat the only reason ual came up w that type is to get rid of as many long timers as they possibly can the leadership at the iam said to have the members vote on it but thats where the accountability was lost... I dont think they proof read everything just look at our 08 contract for example

sorry robbed I don't buy that, go to the UA forum and read thru the last part of the tim nelson is a danger thread every one like jetjob and the others telling how it is an industry leading contract are either agc's or IAM employes.
they just outright mislead the UA members and now they are paying the price.
For God's sake if they truly don't know what's in it then we are really in deep doo doo

 

[robbedagain]

I hear ya rat. I just truly hope we dont get that type crap.

 

[ograc]

Accountability for the recently ratified agreement at UA should be shared by three parties; the International, the District and the membership. All three parties were responsible for the agreement and subsequent ratification. Unfortunately, only one party will suffer the consequences. That party will be the membership. In the case of the UA agreement; the membership willl ultimately, and soley bear, the adverse consequences.Consequences which will be displacement from FT to PT and in many cases job elimination to outsourcing. Is this the extent of representation members are paying for and should expect for their investment of union dues?  

 

[robbedagain]

Orgac when ua got that deal I just knew it would not take long for the damage to get worse now just wait til they nail all the remaining cities except the hubs it will happen just a matter of time

 

[T5towbar]

Accountability for the recently ratified agreement at UA should be shared by three parties; the International, the District and the membership. All three parties were responsible for the agreement and subsequent ratification. Unfortunately, only one party will suffer the consequences. That party will be the membership. In the case of the UA agreement; the membership willl ultimately, and soley bear, the adverse consequences.Consequences which will be displacement from FT to PT and in many cases job elimination to outsourcing. Is this the extent of representation members are paying for and should expect for their investment of union dues?

All true. Some of us didn't buy it, but we were too few. It was about the money. Yesterday, people were getting their money. Monday, 200 people will be getting furloughed and many people downgraded. That's why a lot of us didn't like contract, but you all read the thread about Tim being dangerous to the membership. You don't hear those voices now. Where is Jet Job? The District haven't posted an update yet. What about LOA #5? What about LOA #6? 200 people are getting furloughed. People getting downgraded from FT to PT. As someone noted, they are trying to force out the more senior employees with this by going after the smaller stations. (which most line stations have senior emplopyees) sUA got their money (retro). They gave us a few bucks on the sCO side. We will know Monday how bad the carnage will be.

Why are we paying for this?
It's about the money..........

As I said before, you guys are in a better position.

 

[cltrat]

All true. Some of us didn't buy it, but we were too few. It was about the money. Yesterday, people were getting their money. Monday, 200 people will be getting furloughed and many people downgraded. That's why a lot of us didn't like contract, but you all read the thread about Tim being dangerous to the membership. You don't hear those voices now. Where is Jet Job? The District haven't posted an update yet. What about LOA #5? What about LOA #6? 200 people are getting furloughed. People getting downgraded from FT to PT. As someone noted, they are trying to force out the more senior employees with this by going after the smaller stations. (which most line stations have senior emplopyees) sUA got their money (retro). They gave us a few bucks on the sCO side. We will know Monday how bad the carnage will be.

Why are we paying for this?
It's about the money..........

As I said before, you guys are in a better position.

T5 you don't see Jetjob or Socphat13 either one because both are on the IAM (and your) dime.They got what they wanted after selling the UA membership a pig in a poke. Now they are off celebrating, they are beyond disgusting.

 

[T5towbar]

When Tim answered one of my questions on the UA Forum, that sealed my "NO" vote and everything being wrote is coming to pass.

(The temporary full time ready reserve will be used not only to stop ot but also to void out vacancies. The company determines such things. No matter how you slice it, same as delta ready reserve. The iam just sticks a iam logo on them and takes their dues. This coupled with unlimited part time and the reduction of full time will be great pain.
As far as the 7 stations, thats it. Socopath can say that its impossible to fit 10,000 non protected employees in 7 stations but that is just a straw man argument.
Saying 96% are protected is another straw man.

Hell, we have the same 1999 protections at usair but our most senior station, buf, got contracted out. In fact 60 stations got contracted out with those protections. Why? Because they are only seniority protections that allow someone to displace a junior agent. If i said 100% of all united employees have seniority protections, that would be correct because your reduction in force article gives protections to displace anyways..
Job protection means "whose work is this?" Focus should be on 7 stations and each contract. For ramp, any station in the usa can b contracted out other than 7. Stl or ind can beef up to 250 flights a day and have hub status and still be contracted out. Otoh, ord can be downsized as the company shidts its mainline midwest conx flights to non union cle. Iad can be downsized for ewr and they can displace ewr agents with an influx of iad agents.

They can also take the same number of employees and reduce full time equivalents by having full timers shift to part time. All they have to do is claim a new headcount compliment based on flight activity, flight shidting or even due to financial concerns.
None of these seniority protections would protect anyone, even if someone has 40 years. Remember, seniority protections are ONLY displacement rights.)

 

[mike33]

The members of the NC dont ratify the CBA, that would be the membership, now wouldnt it?
 
I thought you were smarter than that and understand the process, but its apparent you dont, no wonder why you dont have a new CBA,.
 
You are a just a member of a union, not a union member.

First of all, for those elected by the majority of the members, ( which is questionable), they OWN the responsibility to do whats best for the majority of the membership. To say the obvious, " The members of the NC dont ratify the CBA ", is a little insulting. Its obvious they don't but Reps do the recommending which is part of the ratifying process so they take ownership in that way. What about the members that didn't vote for the union but have to be part of it? It's the process and the process is owned by more than just the membership. 

 

[700UW]

The only people that have the power to stop it and say and vote no are the members, we did it 92 as M&R and went on strike, we voted down a CBA in 99 and in the 1st chapter 11 filing.

 

[cltrat]

maybe the members would find it easier to vote no if union leaders were not falsely telling them how great a bs agreement is.
What members CAN do is everything possible to vote such leaders out of office.Some accountability is called for.