Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[Jester]

I think you'd be hard  pressed to find any furloughed AA guys taking recall to a zero seniority ,step one pay gig at Airways.Where'd you even hear that flight of fancy? None of the local 501 officers in NY had even heard of such a thing.

I don't know what your time limit on recall rights would be under AA and your BK contract. For example, prior to the joint contract between US and AW, US fleet was forced to accept a 90 day limit to be recalled. If the option was to take an entry level, no seniority position, but be considered to be an active employee with in "The New American" versus being cut from the company, I could see a furloughed AA FSA accepting the option until the joint agreement is agreed upon. Or maybe someone just wants to put in their time so they can retire. Or maybe those furloughed AA guys out of PHX are tired of making the commute (or cannot commute) when their home is in Arizona. Regardless, I am sure there are someone who would consider the option.

And I agree with Tim, that there is a difference in making furloughed AA FSAs first to be hired over off the street hires versus having US FSAs working AA metal. The Company could hire furloughed AA FSAs, but not be allowed any US FSAs to work AA metal. However, why would the Tempe Boys agree with priority hiring of furloughed AA FSA unless they were getting something in return?

 

[charlie Brown]

It's completely sad that you revert to personal shots and political statements.  I'll refrain and stay on topic.
 
BTW, I'm one of YOUR PEOPLE.  Why should I be impressed with my union agreeing to approach US AIRWAYS management on behalf of laid off workers from another union?  Hasn't the TWU members already signed enough agreements with Parker?   All we hear is how Parker is busting our balls and not giving in to ANYTHING, but our NC is working out things for laid off TWU members.  WTH? 
 
I'm not spinning anything.  I've actually asked you twice if there is anything attached to the IAM asking Parker to hire laid off AMR workers over new hires, but you haven't answered.   Again, excuse me if I think it's a bit rude of Parker for working out things with the TWU and now working out things for laid off TWU members over at US AIRWAYS, without working out a damn thing for our people.  I have a problem with that and so should you.

Tim
I actually said I was sorry for going there in my last post. But I'll say it again, I'm sorry for going there. And your wrong again, I have answered you, I told you that We have made it clear on here what we think. And that we are against any fence agreements. Please tell me how much more of a answer you want than that. And kudos to you!!!! You shouldn't like anything Parker does, I agree. Nobody on the US side should.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't know what your time limit on recall rights would be under AA and your BK contract. For example, prior to the joint contract between US and AW, US fleet was forced to accept a 90 day limit to be recalled. If the option was to take an entry level, no seniority position, but be considered to be an active employee with in "The New American" versus being cut from the company, I could see a furloughed AA FSA accepting the option until the joint agreement is agreed upon. Or maybe someone just wants to put in their time so they can retire. Or maybe those furloughed AA guys out of PHX are tired of making the commute when their home is in Arizona. Regardless, I am sure there are someone who would consider the option.

And I agree with Tim, that there is a difference in making furloughed AA FSAs first to be hired over off the street hires versus having US FSAs working AA metal. The Company could hire furloughed AA FSAs, but not be allowed any US FSAs to work AA metal. However, why would the Tempe Boys agree with priority hiring of furloughed AA FSA unless they were getting something in return?

Why isn't our union telling us what is going on with this? Why do we have to read it at the TWU site how the IAM is going to approach the company on behalf of TWU members?  What are the IAM members getting out of this as well?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
I actually said I was sorry for going there in my last post. But I'll say it again, I'm sorry for going there. And your wrong again, I have answered you, I told you that We have made it clear on here what we think. And that we are against any fence agreements. Please tell me how much more of a answer you want than that. And kudos to you!!!! You shouldn't like anything Parker does, I agree. Nobody on the US side should.

fair enough

 

[ograc]

WRD IZ CO WILL
HAV FOOD ON MON
N CLT 4 A MERGER
PRTY ALL PEPLE WILL
BOYCUTT IT AND CO
WILL B STUCK W A
LOT SPOILD FOOD!
I hear the same is planned for my station. We don't need a "feel fuzzy" cookout and party. What we need is a show of respect with a fair and acceptable contract. Don't insult my intellegence DP. Count me out of your "feel fuzzy" cookout. 

 

[charlie Brown]

WRD IZ CO WILL
HAV FOOD ON MON
N CLT 4 A MERGER
PRTY ALL PEPLE WILL
BOYCUTT IT AND CO
WILL B STUCK W A
LOT SPOILD FOOD!
I hear the same is planned for my station. We don't need a "feel fuzzy" cookout and party. What we need is a show of respect with a fair and acceptable contract. Don't insult my intellegence DP. Count me out of your "feel fuzzy" cookout.

I hope on behalf of the negotiating committee, everyone feels the same way!!!

 

[P. REZ]

I agree, but it has always been more than that.  During the last merger, the NC came back and told us that laid off US AIRWAYS members would be recalled at day one instead of new hires. In the reality of the situation, what was not told was that the union signed off on a helping hand agreement in return. Grant you, the previous NC is not THIS NC, but are we to believe that Parker is just a nice fella and won't want to get anything in return for the very few laid off workers who would love to come back at day one and day one pay?  I've seen these pimp unions do this time and time again so I'm not too trusting of them. Especially how they hosed us during our last merger and then just bent over the United members.

Tim,
 
Not aware of this meeting, sure it is possible that higher up TWU approached IAM because of the amount of TWU guys on furlough. I am personally for Union Brothers and Sisters from both the TWU and IAM getting help with getting job back but do not agree with giving up stuff. If there is an agreement between the International Presidents then it is what it is. I am for what helps employees but don't want to see anybody effed in the process.
 
P. Rez

 

[P. REZ]

I always love how you spin things!! I guess I'll take that as a NO!! You don't think they should hire off the street before they recall furloughs. Is that correct?? And I'm not asking you to believe anything Parker says. I'm asking you to read PRez and my post that we are against any fence agreements thats gonna take leverage from us, and benefit the company. Again, how much clearer can I make it. But you keep asking the question. Why? Surely a guy that was running for district president can understand a post can't he? Sorry, that was hitting below the belt.

Totally in agreement CB, we have never been pressured to think a certain way. We have disagreements on issues but always try to understand what each of us are thinking.  

 

[700UW]

Why isn't our union telling us what is going on with this? Why do we have to read it at the TWU site how the IAM is going to approach the company on behalf of TWU members?  What are the IAM members getting out of this as well?

It was in an IAM Transportation Newswire and I posted on the boards and its on the Grand Lodge's page.

 

[P. REZ]

I agree, but it has always been more than that.  During the last merger, the NC came back and told us that laid off US AIRWAYS members would be recalled at day one instead of new hires. In the reality of the situation, what was not told was that the union signed off on a helping hand agreement in return. Grant you, the previous NC is not THIS NC, but are we to believe that Parker is just a nice fella and won't want to get anything in return for the very few laid off workers who would love to come back at day one and day one pay?  I've seen these pimp unions do this time and time again so I'm not too trusting of them. Especially how they hosed us during our last merger and then just bent over the United members.

Tim,
 
If you have a question I will answer, if I can't I will tell you so. Let's not be so political as to insinuate that it is us against you. I try to be as open as possible but want people to realize that sometimes I can't comment on certain topics.
 
P. Rez  

 

[rockit2]

Has everyone seen the new American poster that's being posted at the stations. Everybody looks happy. If I have interpruted the MOU, The American rampers get a 4.3 percent raise on Monday, after the pizza party. Total disrespect to the US rampers.
I hope all Stations refuse to eat the slop from the pigs that claim to be fair and respectfull.
We saved this company from bankruptcy, now how about giving some of it back.

 

[robbedagain]

That was part of the back room door buster deal that donkey from tempe made to the aa employees and he wants a seamless merger.... well screw that contracts first lock n loaded

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
If you have a question I will answer, if I can't I will tell you so. Let's not be so political as to insinuate that it is us against you. I try to be as open as possible but want people to realize that sometimes I can't comment on certain topics.
 
P. Rez  

It isn't about me Pat. It's about our people.  Quite frankly, our people have been screwed over like forever. If you share a different opinion then that's fine.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The following is from the TWU.
 
Maybe Lehive can put something up on our district site.
 
ATTENTION ALL SISTERS AND BROTHERS....PLEASE BE GUIDED BY THE FOLLOWING MEMORANDUM ISSUED BY INTERNATIONAL VP DRUMMOND.
Opening Day Merger Activities
MEMORANDUM-TO: Presidents of AA, AE & US Airways Locals
FROM: Garry Drummond, Int’l Vice President, ATD Director
Based on feedback from some of our Presidents, and in order to illustrate our unequivocal support for our brothers and sisters in TWU Locals at US Airways currently being ignored during unproductive negotiations, we have made the decision not to be involved in opening day ceremonies celebrating the merger.
 
[I believe that is a reference to the dispatchers]

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Not aware of this meeting, sure it is possible that higher up TWU approached IAM because of the amount of TWU guys on furlough. I am personally for Union Brothers and Sisters from both the TWU and IAM getting help with getting job back but do not agree with giving up stuff. If there is an agreement between the International Presidents then it is what it is. I am for what helps employees but don't want to see anybody effed in the process.
 
P. Rez

+1