Nov/Dec 2013 Fleet Service Discussion

[mike33]

 

What, you getting tired of getting tag-teamed by him and SWAMT about calling the NMB? Lol.

 
 
LOL...i thought about " ignore" but then they would just accuse me of skirting the issue so i decided against it .
 
 That is a very good point re: how many unorganized would want to be organized. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Don't forget to flip the coin over Tim. Didn't UA get something like ? $1.25 ( i can't recall ) in their TA?...I would think that by 2044 or sooner the hourly contribution would be well over $2. Just my guess. 
So the current estimations are predicated on $1.05.

I hear ya mike. The united iampf is based on a %, ie 6.5% of wage. So when wage goes up then the iampf goes up likewise. I think that is better than how canale negotiated dollar amounts. Its a matter of perspective though since the dollar figure would be more favorable to a new hire or low seniority.

Moving forward, i dont think its too wise to change our historical method so the focus would have to be, imo, to increase the dollar amount in any talks, including joint talks.

 

[Harry Callahan]

LOL...i thought about " ignore" but then they would just accuse me of skirting the issue so i decided against it .
 
 That is a very good point re: how many unorganized would want to be organized.

Well I have had Joshie on ignore for quite awhile & I think others do also.
Harry

 

[roabilly]

Some workers, especially in the airlines enjoy the benefit if a union cba with the company, it eliminates this and those of you who were former PI can tell the board all about it:
 

 
 
Ohhhh yesss... I remember those years at PI... If you had a connection in NASCSR, or could play softball really well, you were launched on an upward trajectory straight to management! We still have the remnants of these folks in Management today in CLT. One in particular can not spell, or construct a sentence. Every-time he posts a memo, it gets covered in spelling and punctuation graffiti from members. I think his grade average was a D- when I retired!

 

[Tim Nelson]

An equitable contract now in section 6 then joint talks.
Dont accept or tolerate any bs from the union if they finally flip like they did at united.

For recollection, the district officers informed the united membership that it would get a contract first.
Then after an election it flipped like a pancake and bs saying that "there is more strength in transition talks" and that the company would never agree to a contract before the merger.

Thus the iam members got screwed. Unlike the mx and stews who held out then got a contract before the merger. With history as our guide, we will be able to see where the smoke may come from if the district leaders dont hold firm.

Our mx are probably informed and understand so maybe 142 will lead the way prior to the merger. To be sure, i have no idea what delaney will do or if this negotiations committee is more focused than the united nc that got hoodwinked by delaney so maybe we will b pleasantly surprised. But everyone should be aware of how things shifted at united.

 

[rockit2]

An equitable contract now in section 6 then joint talks.
Dont accept or tolerate any bs from the union if they finally flip like they did at united.

For recollection, the district officers informed the united membership that it would get a contract first.
Then after an election it flipped like a pancake and bs saying that "there is more strength in transition talks" and that the company would never agree to a contract before the merger.

Thus the iam members got screwed. Unlike the mx and stews who held out then got a contract before the merger. With history as our guide, we will be able to see where the smoke may come from if the district leaders dont hold firm.

Our mx are probably informed and understand so maybe 142 will lead the way prior to the merger. To be sure, i have no idea what delaney will do or if this negotiations committee is more focused than the united nc that got hoodwinked by delaney so maybe we will b pleasantly surprised. But everyone should be aware of how things shifted at united.

I agree, the union should hold strong. We should not work aa metal and they should not work us metal until we get a contract and then procede to transition talks. It may work out better for the twu guy's also.  As for the previous dicussion on the iamnpf, I pulled my numbers from the website, for ten years we've been in it, I will get 842.00. For the next 9 years until I go it will be calculated at 47.00 per month times years of service, that will be an additional 423 per month, so I'll wnd up with aprox 1260 per month. IAMNPF should reinstate our org 87.00 per month, the company is still putting in the 1.05 just like the contract says. Screwed by our own.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I agree, the union should hold strong. We should not work aa metal and they should not work us metal until we get a contract and then procede to transition talks. It may work out better for the twu guy's also.  As for the previous dicussion on the iamnpf, I pulled my numbers from the website, for ten years we've been in it, I will get 842.00. For the next 9 years until I go it will be calculated at 47.00 per month times years of service, that will be an additional 423 per month, so I'll wnd up with aprox 1260 per month. IAMNPF should reinstate our org 87.00 per month, the company is still putting in the 1.05 just like the contract says. Screwed by our own.

I agree that our own union robbed us but it isnt going to reinstate anything. It is what it is and there is nothing stopping the iampf from making a third adjustment or pethaps the proposed federal pension law gets voted on and hammers defined pensions from us or retirees as the ibt and most unions are begging for.

But we cant control that. We are stuck with the iampf whether we love it or hate it so we might as well make the best of it. A 3 prong retirement would hedge us against the union stealing more. Thus, keeping the iampf with maybe a small bump after starting a 401 match would be wise.
But make no mistake, if we get a ta that brings back less wage than amr and boost the iampf then our negotiators took care of the iam at our neglect. And as far as im concerned increasing scope before any iampf increases should happen first. And im not talking about stupid s like termination date scope.
Ill b back in clt "soon". Trust me, clt will be plenty informed.

 

[737823]

An equitable contract now in section 6 then joint talks.
Dont accept or tolerate any bs from the union if they finally flip like they did at united.

For recollection, the district officers informed the united membership that it would get a contract first.
Then after an election it flipped like a pancake and bs saying that "there is more strength in transition talks" and that the company would never agree to a contract before the merger.

Thus the iam members got screwed. Unlike the mx and stews who held out then got a contract before the merger. With history as our guide, we will be able to see where the smoke may come from if the district leaders dont hold firm.

Our mx are probably informed and understand so maybe 142 will lead the way prior to the merger. To be sure, i have no idea what delaney will do or if this negotiations committee is more focused than the united nc that got hoodwinked by delaney so maybe we will b pleasantly surprised. But everyone should be aware of how things shifted at united.

Tim, with the alliance agreement are there any implications for the IAM and collecting dues from TWU employees at IAM stations? Like at UA they wanted the dues from unorganized sCO passenger service employees.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim, with the alliance agreement are there any implications for the IAM and collecting dues from TWU employees at IAM stations? Like at UA they wanted the dues from unorganized sCO passenger service employees.Josh

Ive seen no final evidence that iam141 has been nothing other than a company pimp like at hal and ual plus the iam rampers at lcc have squared terribly worse than other ground employees at lcc.

Really stupid s.

However, moving forward, the iam is who we have so we have to hope our nc doesnt do any stupid s like those that kissed delaneys at united. If so it will be skull cracking time (metaphorically) just as the skull cracking has already started at ual where our local voted out all the local dopes who supported the ta and delaney. More of the same in february as delaneys team will most likely get destroyed in ord.

One way the members get screwed at usair is if the association F us by triggering things before its time and tosses us into joint talks before a contract. If it does so, it wont be doin so because of dues but to bring in the twu members into the iampf

 

[737823]

Ive seen no final evidence that iam141 has been nothing other than a company pimp like at hal and ual plus the iam rampers at lcc have squared terribly worse than other ground employees at lcc.

Really stupid s.

However, moving forward, the iam is who we have so we have to hope our nc doesnt do any stupid s like those that kissed delaneys at united. If so it will be skull cracking time (metaphorically) just as the skull cracking has already started at ual where our local voted out all the local dopes who supported the ta and delaney. More of the same in february as delaneys team will most likely get destroyed in ord.

One way the members get screwed at usair is if the association F us by triggering things before its time and tosses us into joint talks before a contract. If it does so, it wont be doin so because of dues but to bring in the twu members into the iampf

Tim, from what I see here it seems the US membership is unified and does not want to see a UAL type contract. Unfortunately AA/US will have a difficult time not pushing for similar terms, especially with scope. As it is AA-TWU has 17 stations, US IAM roughly the same both considerably more than their nearest competitor. Do you think the district will push to bring express work in house at hubs? I don't think anyone on here things this alliance non-sense is in the interest of the members and it is clear the IAM/TWU think it will provide less accountability and transparency but ensure they both collect dues.

Josh

 

[mike33]

 I don't think anyone on here things this alliance non-sense is in the interest of the members and it is clear the IAM/TWU think it will provide less accountability and transparency but ensure they both collect dues.

Josh

I Do ! I've always said it's the" Leverage" that is most important at this point in time. The future will be worked out after the leverage is applied. SCS ( Single Carrier Status ). Everyone should understand it .
 
"The union, representing nearly 3,000 workers at US Airways, will not sign off on a plan to operate the two airlines as one until a contract agreement is reached, said Randy Griffith, general chairman of the IAM, District 142. "They can't integrate until they settle with us," he said. A spokesman for the airline said it is now up to a federal mediator to determine the next step in the negotiations with the union."
 
Dues are Dues, no matter what union you pay them too.
 
  How's that email coming Josh? or swamps phone call. It's been more than a week. I got my return call in 2 days, and thats only because one of those was a Holiday.

 

[mike33]

 
 
Ohhhh yesss... I remember those years at PI... If you had a connection in NASCSR, or could play softball really well, you were launched on an upward trajectory straight to management! We still have the remnants of these folks in Management today in CLT. One in particular can not spell, or construct a sentence. Every-time he posts a memo, it gets covered in spelling and punctuation graffiti from members. I think his grade average was a D- when I retired!

 
 Glad you are still with us on this forum ROA !... It's always nice to dive into the minds of those that still remember. Even if retired!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim, from what I see here it seems the US membership is unified and does not want to see a UAL type contract. Unfortunately AA/US will have a difficult time not pushing for similar terms, especially with scope. As it is AA-TWU has 17 stations, US IAM roughly the same both considerably more than their nearest competitor. Do you think the district will push to bring express work in house at hubs? I don't think anyone on here things this alliance non-sense is in the interest of the members and it is clear the IAM/TWU think it will provide less accountability and transparency but ensure they both collect dues.Josh

If the twu and iam keep their word then the alliance is suppose to recognize our current talks and not flip like a pancake at the end of the day. Presently im uncomfortable dogging the alliance since everything in the alliance agreement seems fair to our people including seniority and "contract first".
I do remain skeptical only because iam141 has lied 100% of the time.

Hopefully the iam wont chase more iampf members as it chased dues payers at ua.

Im also uncomfortable comparing any scope to united since that agreement is awful. The pce stations are now getting torched as i said, including clt

 

[Jester]

I agree, the union should hold strong. We should not work aa metal and they should not work us metal until we get a contract and then procede to transition talks.

Well, let's see what the IAM leadership does when it happens. Story around the campfire in PHX is that the next bid was pushed back another month to accommodate the merger with AA. As it is highly unlikely (in fact, let's just assume impossible) for a single contract with fleet, there is a very real possibility of US FSA working American metal early 2014. It is possible the "accommodation" could be little more than trying to re-work the hub-to-hub US/AA flights, but that seems like an usually long delay for a few flights.

I hope that someone in the IAM has already placed the Tempe Boys on notice this arrangement will be unacceptable, especially as PHX FSAs will be working furloughed AA FSAs work!

 

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