Non-Rev Boarding

[johnny kat]

show me the money wrote: " Get a life and a real sense of what is fair. KEEP HATING."

Excuse me missy but I don't hate any of my fellow employees and your use of the word is getting a little tired and dramatically overdone...go out and get some air if this issue is what is sending you over the edge.

What else can I say except the old AA employees do not have this company benefit enshrined in their collective bargaining agreement and most of the PM US groups do. So, until the arbitrator or the company decides what to negotiate in place of the DOH non rev policy then there is going to be much discussion about it. This is something that will have to have a remedy.

On a side note what you are failing to grasp, and Doug Parker has mentioned it many times in town halls, is that before anything is agreed to it must be negotiated. In other words you get what you negotiate and this is the principle that the issue of FCFS brings forth in that we at PM US are still covered under our AFA cba until such time as we are not. And I personally do not see how this gets settled before aug.

 

[jimntx]

Johnny Kat, don't even think of using the "difficulty in commuting" argument.  The American policy is "living away from your base is your choice.  Do not expect the company to assist you in getting yourself to work."  And, you can ask f/as from  Nashville, Reno, SFO International, Seattle, and any number of cities where AA used to have bases, but doesn't anymore.  You seem to think that US Airways is the only airline that ever closed a base on employees.  Ask mechanics from AFW, for a recent closure.  For that matter, ask me.  I live in Dallas.  I got DFW right out of training in 2000.  I was furloughed in 2003.  I was recalled in 2004.  My 3 choices were STL, LGA, or DCA.  I commuted to STL for over 6 years before getting my transfer back to DFW.  And, it was not easy because in those years approx 90% of the base were commuters.   But, I managed with no missed trips and no late sign-ins.  Well, that's not exactly correct.  I did have one missed trip, but it was not because of commuting.  It was because I forgot to take my phone (which was also my alarm clock) off vibrate when I got back to the crash pad from the movie theater the night before.  LOL  But, I never once booked myself on the last flight that would get me to STL in time for signin.  Never have liked living on the edge.

 

[johnny kat]

MCI transplant:

Hey how does this sound? ------ Retirees, board with their DOH on the day they retired!------ Mine would be 40 years!!!! Yea! Sounds good to me!!!

...and it used to be that way until it became apparent so many of the actual people who make the planes fly needed that seat to get into base (because of the many base closures), The company did away with that policy.

I remember non reving out of PHX and had to wait three days to get out because of the 50 yr status of retirees AND their families.

It is no joke kids this FCFS is going to be a big problem not just for the individual but also for the integrity of the newly integrated American Airlines east coast centric route structure.

 

[jimntx]

Oh, please.  It's a change to the way you do things now.  You have never tried it, but you already know that it won't work.  Are you awared that every AA base has a large number of commuters?  Do you not consider LGA/JFK, DCA, and MIA to be East Coast bases, or is that privilege restricted to PHL, CLT, and pmUS DCA?  Those AA flight attendants commute to work, and the manage (somehow) to get there.  Maybe you could ask one of them what the secret is to overcoming what you see as insurmountable problems.

 

[xUT]

Just getting used to a different system I would guess
Don't hate the people new to the system that are apprehensive, you would probably feel the same if it was DOH.
 
UA uses a rolling DOH. Wherein you retired with x amount of years you keep those years but not DOH. As time goes by, boarding by rolling DOH will be less effective as current employees accrue time while mine is frozen.
 
When I was a 'new hire' DOH didn't seem that important as we could get on pretty much any plane going anywhere except on peak holiday periods where DOH was pretty useful.
Of course this was in the early 80's and 90's.
Now it really doesn't matter.
Never flew FCFS so I don't have an opinion.
Just my 2 cents...
Good Luck Guys N Gals
B) xUT

 

[MCI transplant]

MCI transplant:

Hey how does this sound? ------ Retirees, board with their DOH on the day they retired!------ Mine would be 40 years!!!! Yea! Sounds good to me!!!

...and it used to be that way until it became apparent so many of the actual people who make the planes fly needed that seat to get into base (because of the many base closures), The company did away with that policy.

I remember non reving out of PHX and had to wait three days to get out because of the 50 yr status of retirees AND their families.

It is no joke kids this FCFS is going to be a big problem not just for the individual but also for the integrity of the newly integrated American Airlines east coast centric route structure.

Johnny, I worked 33 years for TWA (IAM) DOH.AA (TWU) FCFS. 7 years, and frankly, I prefer FCFS. 
 

MCI transplant:

Hey how does this sound? ------ Retirees, board with their DOH on the day they retired!------ Mine would be 40 years!!!! Yea! Sounds good to me!!!

...and it used to be that way until it became apparent so many of the actual people who make the planes fly needed that seat to get into base (because of the many base closures), The company did away with that policy.

I remember non reving out of PHX and had to wait three days to get out because of the 50 yr status of retirees AND their families.

It is no joke kids this FCFS is going to be a big problem not just for the individual but also for the integrity of the newly integrated American Airlines east coast centric route structure.

Another solution to your  problem would be to move your family closer to your work like a lot of us did! ------ I know, it's a bumer! ------- Welcome to the world of an AMT!!!

 

[MCI transplant]

Besides, your not the only ones getting screwed! After 40 years working odd days off, at all time of day and night, the retirees now will have to board after some snotty nose brat, kid of an "Active" employee! ----- As if 40 years isn't "active" enough for them!!!

 

[bob@las-AA]

Besides, your not the only ones getting screwed! After 40 years working odd days off, at all time of day and night, the retirees now will have to board after some snotty nose brat, kid of an "Active" employee! ----- As if 40 years isn't "active" enough for them!!!

Doug Parker made it clear that the larger carrier would prevail in this privilege. And the reason behind it was is that, AA outnumbers US by 2/3.
Its better to have 1/3 pi$$ed off than 2/3. He also explained that, to appease the bees in their bonnet,that AA retires would have to go behind D2's. So! at the end of the day, we still have FCFS as we known for a long time, but to accommodate the US peeps our AA retirees had to give up living in the pool of D2's, But once August comes around, the retirees at US will have to make that same supreme sacrifice and travel
behind all us junior ed pi$$ ants. Sorry .... too bad ...... so sad!!!!   

 

[bob@las-AA]

Besides, your not the only ones getting screwed! After 40 years working odd days off, at all time of day and night, the retirees now will have to board after some snotty nose brat, kid of an "Active" employee! ----- As if 40 years isn't "active" enough for them!!!

After reading you brilliantly crafted post again, I find it just a little odd that you mentioned "odd days off". surly a person of your stature with "40 year" could bid on a shift better suited to your need? I'm sorry that the thought of play checkers all day and yelling "KING ME!!" at the senior center in Boca Raton FL is far less exciting that traveling but, other activities, and even constructive hobbies exist besides travel.

 

[bob@las-AA]

And why am I the only one with a Avitar that's relay me? 

 

[nycbusdriver]

And why am I the only one with a Avitar that's relay me? 

 
There was a time (before the "new" board rules took effect in 2010) that posters could not reveal their true identity with their screen name, or within messages.  (I suppose that included the picture.)   Reading the current rules, such a restriction does not appear to have survived to date.  But most of the prolific posters here have been on the boards since before 2010, and many had to change their screen names from their real names.  It simply stuck.

 

[700UW]

US retirees go behind active employees and have for a while.

 

[Show me the money]

MCI transplant:

Hey how does this sound? ------ Retirees, board with their DOH on the day they retired!------ Mine would be 40 years!!!! Yea! Sounds good to me!!!

...and it used to be that way until it became apparent so many of the actual people who make the planes fly needed that seat to get into base (because of the many base closures), The company did away with that policy.

I remember non reving out of PHX and had to wait three days to get out because of the 50 yr status of retirees AND their families.

It is no joke kids this FCFS is going to be a big problem not just for the individual but also for the integrity of the newly integrated American Airlines east coast centric route structure.

I'm back from getting some air. HATER!!!!!! that's all that comes out of your posts, that everyone at AA is old and out of touch. The world is coming to an end and no one can possibly commute. AA is twice your size and we commute everyday. So if you haven't got the message, get over yourself learn the new system. If not you can retire and go to the back of the line like all the rest of the retirees(which was put in place for US). The sky is not falling the sun will come up tomorrow and FCFS will be put in place have a nice day.

 

[jimntx]

Unfounded Gossip and Speculation Alert!  Warning may or may not be true!  (Poster does not know one way or the other.)
 
I heard from another f/a who is related to Doug Parker's barber's yard man's cousin that one of the primary reasons that boarding priority for retirees was downgraded a notch is because there are now more living retirees than there are active employees.  that woud certainly make sense, and knowing the number of retired f/as just since I started in 2000, it is not outside the realm of possibility.  When I started in 2000 my seniority number was almost 25,000.  It is now about to slip below 12,000.

 

[MCI transplant]

After reading you brilliantly crafted post again, I find it just a little odd that you mentioned "odd days off". surly a person of your stature with "40 year" could bid on a shift better suited to your need? I'm sorry that the thought of play checkers all day and yelling "KING ME!!" at the senior center in Boca Raton FL is far less exciting that traveling but, other activities, and even constructive hobbies exist besides travel.

Bob, as it turned out Doug hasn't given the respect that they, and I mean "all" those who have built this Airline into what it is today, they deserve! If he had, he could have come up with a better solution to this whole issue. He could have Grandfathered, no pun intended, all retirees that retired before the merger, both AA, and US, into the old system, and those after, into this new one! ------ He chose not to! Now, this thread is a good way to vent, but I don't believe it will change anything! Doug has made up his mind, and I really don't think any of this will change it.