Non-Rev Boarding

[IORFA]

I've only flown non-rev under the FCFS rules. Me being fairly senior with 28 years and would probably benefit some under the DOH rules, I still prefer the FCFS system. Now the change of retiree boarding priority is BS.

It is worlds better for the former TW retirees.

 

[MCI transplant]

Non employees are NOT supposed to have access to jetnet. Thus they are not allowed to check you in online. Like I said before, the problem is pretty much non existent these past years because we can check ourselves in online 24 hours ahead of time. So if they can check you in without going into jetnet, then it s fine. There is something called Jetaway they could use. I've actually never used it before, so not sure how it works. Before someone asks, our system of having NRTP on jetnet is a pain at times. Spouses, kids and significant others should not have access to it as there is too much proprietary info on it and depending on your job, they have access to SSI info. That is a big NO NO. On the other hand, at the carrier I commute on, there's is a separate site and they pass out the passwords to all sorts of people. Very helpful for me, but I can't reciprocate the same as they would have access to all of AA and my paychecks, benefits info and much more.

I stand corrected! Can you?----- Yes!, Should you? ------ No! But once you retire, Jetnet takes on a whole new look! Not much you can access except travel and benefits. And with retiree benefits, at least for myself, isn't saying a whole lot!

 

[MCI transplant]

It is worlds better for the former TW retirees.

As it should be! ------ Did you know TW offered ex Pan Am, and Eastern,employees EEE pass, About same as AA's D3's, up tell AA merge./buy out?

 

[nycbusdriver]

Did people actually read the new non rev travel policy? 

 
No.  I didn't.  I don't usually non-rev if I REALLY need to get somewhere (like to work), unless flights are W-I-D-E open.  (Even then, I keep a fallback postion....usually Amtrak.)   Or, I use the jumpseat if I am by myself.
 
I buy a ticket for vacations ALWAYS (usually on a competing carrier because it is more convenient.)
 
So, no.  I didn't study the non-rev travel policy like my life depended on it.  Because it doesn't.

 

[IORFA]

Just saying, if you're going to complain about parts of if, you might makes sure those parts are as you assume they are.

 

[john john]

So if they can check you in without going into jetnet, then it s fine.

So can a wife check someone in 24hr before if I a employee is unavailable to do so?

 

[700UW]

So lets put all the biases aside and I have a question.
 
So lets say AA violates the PMAA CBA, should you all just stand around and do nothing and let the company do as they please?
 
Say they want to pay you half pay for the rest of the CBA's life, would you like that and just do nothing?
 
You can argue DOH and FCFS all you want, if a company violates the CBA, the effected employees and unon have the right to file a grievance to rectify the problem.
 
You NEVER let a company violate your CBA and do nothing about it.

 

[jimntx]

No one is saying allow the company to violate the contract.  However, some of the pmUS people seem to think that everything they like in their current contracts will survive the negotiations for the new contract which will cover both sides of the house.  Once that contract is negotiated and ratified, it won't matter what is in anyone's current contract.  The new contract will supercede both pre-merger contracts.  If DOH boarding, if equal boarding for retirees, etc are not in the new contract, it won't matter that it is in the current contract.
 
Oh, and DP was not the first to use the "if you don't like it, grieve it" approach to contract adherence.  We seem to have some of that on the AA side of the aisle also already.  DP should feel right at home. 

 

[nycbusdriver]

So lets put all the biases aside and I have a question.
 
So lets say AA violates the PMAA CBA, should you all just stand around and do nothing and let the company do as they please?
 
Say they want to pay you half pay for the rest of the CBA's life, would you like that and just do nothing?
 
You can argue DOH and FCFS all you want, if a company violates the CBA, the effected employees and unon have the right to file a grievance to rectify the problem.
 
You NEVER let a company violate your CBA and do nothing about it.

 
Of course the union should use every legal means to defend the contract of the employees it represents.  Not to do so would be a violation of their duty to represent their members in just such circumstances.
 
However (in the case of the RLA as it is applied to airlines) the playing field is heavily slanted in favor of the employer, and the situation has only deteriorated since the Reagan administration broke PATCO in the early 1980s (not an RLA situation, but it set the stage for the since continuous diminishment of the power of organized labor in this country.)
 
At one time, airline management actually "played nice" in the grievance process.  Now, they realize they do not realistically have to play at all (technically, yes, but not in real life), so they literally "stay home" and wait out the grievances. There is no downside for the employer in this waiting game.  None.
 
The system is broke, and unlikely to be fixed anytime soon.  This death knell of the middle class has become a focal point of conservative politics (read: unbridled corporate greed.)

 

[jimntx]

So can a wife check someone in 24hr before if I a employee is unavailable to do so?

Only if they can do it without going into Jetnet.  Giving your Jetnet password to a non-employee is a termination offense.  As IORFA said, there is possibility of them accessing SSI information--particularly if you are a pilot or flight attendant.  Would you get caught?  Probably not.  Can you get caught?  You bet.  If according to SABRE you are at 30,000 ft on the way to LAX, and suddenly you sign-in to Jetnet, and it ain't via GOGO (which you have to pay for so there's another backup record for them to use), then someone else must know your password.

 

[jimntx]

However (in the case of the RLA as it is applied to airlines) the playing field is heavily slanted in favor of the employer, and the situation has only deteriorated since the Reagan administration broke PATCO in the early 1980s (not an RLA situation, but it set the stage for the since continuous diminishment of the power of organized labor in this country.)
 
At one time, airline management actually "played nice" in the grievance process.  Now, they realize they do not realistically have to play at all (technically, yes, but not in real life), so they literally "stay home" and wait out the grievances. There is no downside for the employer in this waiting game.  None.
 
The system is broke, and unlikely to be fixed anytime soon.  This death knell of the middle class has become a focal point of conservative politics (read: unbridled corporate greed.)

Can I have an AMEN from the choir?  During one of APFA's previous contract negotiations, the company did not show up to an NMB-ordered mediation session and didn't even bother to send regrets of any kind.  Yet, the NMB refused an APFA request to determine that the company was not bargaining in good faith and release us to self-help.

 

[700UW]

No one is saying allow the company to violate the contract.  However, some of the pmUS people seem to think that everything they like in their current contracts will survive the negotiations for the new contract which will cover both sides of the house.  Once that contract is negotiated and ratified, it won't matter what is in anyone's current contract.  The new contract will supercede both pre-merger contracts.  If DOH boarding, if equal boarding for retirees, etc are not in the new contract, it won't matter that it is in the current contract.
 
Oh, and DP was not the first to use the "if you don't like it, grieve it" approach to contract adherence.  We seem to have some of that on the AA side of the aisle also already.  DP should feel right at home. 

I am not talking about how people feel, either PMUS or PMAA, no one knows what is going to be in a JCBA, we all know what is in PMUS and PMAA's CBAs, both unions by law have to enforce the CBAs as written or they are in violation of the Duty of Fair Representation and can be sued.
 
It certainly does matter what is in a current CBA, you couldnt be farther from the truth, and dont hold your breath on a quick JCBA, it took two years for all three IAM groups, eight years for the flight attendants and the pilots still dont have a JCBA at PMUS.

 

[snapthis]

I am not talking about how people feel, either PMUS or PMAA, no one knows what is going to be in a JCBA, we all know what is in PMUS and PMAA's CBAs, both unions by law have to enforce the CBAs as written or they are in violation of the Duty of Fair Representation and can be sued.
 
It certainly does matter what is in a current CBA, you couldnt be farther from the truth, and dont hold your breath on a quick JCBA, it took two years for all three IAM groups, eight years for the flight attendants and the pilots still dont have a JCBA at PMUS.

What does that have to do with the tea in China? Bottom line, Airways goes away, 2/3 of the group is Legacy AA and boarding will be FCFS. I remember FCFS being changed to DOH to accommodate the 2/3 majority. Now it's the other way around. Deal with it.

 

[700UW]

Just like I figured you dont get it at all.
 
You have a CBA saying that flying the A320 family for US is your work correct?
 
Well lets say the bring in a bunch of pilots from China and give them 10 A321s to fly for US.
 
Is that ok?

 

[snapthis]

700----you need to put down the bong. What does the term "time of check-in" mean? It equates to FCFS. Not DOH. Comprende?
 
Good luck trying to change the policy, not that it concerns you as a bystander.
 
 
Boarding policy
 
US Airways employees, retirees and their eligible travelers will be accommodated on American at the
 priority code "US". Boarding will be after American's own employees, retirees and their eligible travelers
  on personal travel, but ahead of D3 buddy pass riders. This boarding code must be entered as part of the
 check-in entry therefore US Airways travelers will need to be aware of this code in the event an American
 agent isnt familiar of the priority US.
 
 
Boarding will be based on time of check-in.
 
If American is not able to accommodate you on the flight requested, American agents will "roll" you to the
next American operating flight. You will retain your original time of check-in for processing from the priority
 list.