Non-Rev Boarding

[john john]

if any thing you guys are persistent.

You damn right that is what it takes. And if it does not work out at the negotiating table or with the arbitrator that my dues went to work for the membership and that is that. The language is in the contracts and has to be address

 

[1AA]

So what happens when all groups have a JCBA in place? If the unions who are suing and the company agree to a JCBA and the DOH is no longer a facture is that not like saying the unions settled the lawsuit and are moving on with the new agreement?

 

[700UW]

Who is suing the company?

The unions filed a grievance as the company violated the CBA.

 

[UPNAWAY]

So only 6 of us are reasonable, lol.....

 

[jimntx]

You have travel benefits in your contract ????

Don't read into what I wrote what you would like to see.  Per our contract, and from what I was told it was given by the company without the union asking because the company didn't want to have to be the settler of disputes.  The APA and the APFA control who sits on their respective jumpseats.  They also have the say on how the assignments are made.  APA chose DOH.  APFA chose FCFS.  End of discussion.  There is no more to it than that.  And, if I were a betting man (which I'm not.  Found out years ago I am inept at it.), I would bet that (and only that) is what the new JCBA for both pilots and flight attendants will contain.  NO "guaranteed" travel benefits of any kind.  And, when the US retirees try to say ""we used to have the same boarding privileges as active employees, it was in our contract;" someone will point out that "Yeah, and we used to run the routes with a wagon train, but hey...times change.  Try to keep up."  Or, they can grieve it, but there will be a problem.   The surviving union that would be expected to handle the grievance will be the APFA which likes things just the way they are.  I doubt when the APA is no longer collecting dues from the former US Airways f/as, they will be all that passionate to represent them.  Not judging.  Just saying.

 

[johnny kat]

Hmmm...I don't think APFA has said anything about this situation either for or against.

I think APFA will do what is right for the F/As at the new American. And if that means advocating for DOH then so be it. You are making it sound as if the APFA is unattached to the concerns of the membership which will very shortly include the 7000 former US F/As. I don't think it is in anyone's best interest to be trying to get rid of a contractual benefit just because they did not have it in their premerger contract and because that was the way it was always done. Especially when past precedent suggests management at some point will close bases if they feel it is necessary and commuting to a base will become necessary for many F/As. Let's face it AA non rev system is antiquated and outdated. Just because it has been in use for a long time doesn't mean it isn't due for an update. The AA travel policy of checking in for just one flight a day in order to have enough food on board for everyone is just ridiculous this day and age considering meals aren't served on the vast majority of flights.

 

[Show me the money]

Hmmm...I don't think APFA has said anything about this situation either for or against.

I think APFA will do what is right for the F/As at the new American. And if that means advocating for DOH then so be it. You are making it sound as if the APFA is unattached to the concerns of the membership which will very shortly include the 7000 former US F/As. I don't think it is in anyone's best interest to be trying to get rid of a contractual benefit just because they did not have it in their premerger contract and because that was the way it was always done. Especially when past precedent suggests management at some point will close bases if they feel it is necessary and commuting to a base will become necessary for many F/As. Let's face it AA non rev system is antiquated and outdated. Just because it has been in use for a long time doesn't mean it isn't due for an update. The AA travel policy of checking in for just one flight a day in order to have enough food on board for everyone is just ridiculous this day and age considering meals aren't served on the vast majority of flights.

Just because you don't like it and it's not what you want, TO BAD. You notice the only ones complaining are you people from US. I have taken my own personal poll of 45 AA F/A's and 40 pilots and not one wants DOH. A good many things are wrong at AA, but our travel is not one of them. So if all you want to do is hate, we will expect more of the same and how bad AA is. Now you know how America West felt when you ran DOH down their throat. You will be assimilted resistance is futile.

 

[IORFA]

Hmmm...I don't think APFA has said anything about this situation either for or against.I think APFA will do what is right for the F/As at the new American. And if that means advocating for DOH then so be it. You are making it sound as if the APFA is unattached to the concerns of the membership which will very shortly include the 7000 former US F/As. I don't think it is in anyone's best interest to be trying to get rid of a contractual benefit just because they did not have it in their premerger contract and because that was the way it was always done. Especially when past precedent suggests management at some point will close bases if they feel it is necessary and commuting to a base will become necessary for many F/As. Let's face it AA non rev system is antiquated and outdated. Just because it has been in use for a long time doesn't mean it isn't due for an update. The AA travel policy of checking in for just one flight a day in order to have enough food on board for everyone is just ridiculous this day and age considering meals aren't served on the vast majority of flights.

Antiquated to you is civil and humane to the vast majority of AA employees. To each their own. What is it with you guys and the prohibition of checking in for only one flight? One it only makes sense, and two there is ZERO reason to check in for more than one flight at a time. If you don't get on, the agents can roll you over to whatever flight you want and your checkin time follows you. Takes less than 10 seconds to do. Why it is such a big issue, I'll never understand. Also the agent at your new flight can roll you over to their flight as well. So there is more than one way for it to be accomplished. Maybe your way is so antiquated and just because you've done it your way for so long it could be time for an update! Doesn't matter, it's been decided and reasonability, civility and humanity win out! The system is so easy to understand and it is transparent, I guess that is a problem for some US folks.

 

[johnny kat]

I don't understand why some old AA employees are so prickly when it comes to this discussion. Fully more than a third of the new AA employees are having issues with the FCFS policy. American Airlines major hubs in PHL, CLT, DCA, And PHX could be affected by this one change at the height of the summer travel season. AAs' primary competitors DL and UA have DOH. I know it is futile to argue the point with some who are inflexible but truly, DOH, is the fairer way for employees so I think the solution would be to keep the non rev travel just the way it is for American's east coast based employees (PM US). Everyone that I have spoken with agrees. Why is there such a rush to cram this down everyone's throat? When all it takes is a few extra key strokes to list for either carriers flights. If US management can successfully operate two carriers as one for the past 8 years it should be no problem to keep each legacy carriers non rev policies in place. Either way this is all coming to a head very soon, and we shall see how it goes. Then we will all know just what the impact of this is on all of us.

 

[snapthis]

A straightforward waste of time.

The company already made their decision, knowing full well that it wouldn't please the pm-US folks.

Time to move on.

+8

DOH=respect. Get it!

-11

You measure respect by the fact you've stayed at one company for the longest amount of years? You should think about getting more realistic definitions of respect.

+9

9+8-(-11)=28 votes within the first 4 lines doesn't bode well for support to change AA's boarding policy. I get it.

 

[Show me the money]

I don't understand why some old AA employees are so prickly when it comes to this discussion. Fully more than a third of the new AA employees are having issues with the FCFS policy. American Airlines major hubs in PHL, CLT, DCA, And PHX could be affected by this one change at the height of the summer travel season. AAs' primary competitors DL and UA have DOH. I know it is futile to argue the point with some who are inflexible but truly, DOH, is the fairer way for employees so I think the solution would be to keep the non rev travel just the way it is for American's east coast based employees (PM US). Everyone that I have spoken with agrees. Why is there such a rush to cram this down everyone's throat? When all it takes is a few extra key strokes to list for either carriers flights. If US management can successfully operate two carriers as one for the past 8 years it should be no problem to keep each legacy carriers non rev policies in place. Either way this is all coming to a head very soon, and we shall see how it goes. Then we will all know just what the impact of this is on all of us.

So what your saying because somebody else is doing what you like we should do it that way. You and others are in the minority. So the majority is suppose to roll over because in your mind FCFS can never work. Have you ever tried it? My guess would be NO!!!!!! So you and the others whose motto is I got mine probably can say that DOH is the  highest thing in life you have ever achieved. So I guess if you look in your  neighbors driveway and he or she has a Porsche according to your way of thinking you deserve one to. Get a life and a real sense of what is fair. KEEP HATING.

 

[ChockJockey]

So only 6 of us are reasonable, lol.....

 
Since my non-revving is pretty much limited to leisure travel I don't care so much what the determination for boarding is as long as the system is coherent and consistent.  I worked with one guy who was so angry when he heard the new policy you'd have thought his flight benefits had been revoked completely; then again he was commuting and his family was on the other side of the continent (and he's since transferred back). 
 
I can understand the frustration of people with a lot of years who depend on a certain way of non-revving to meet their professional and family obligations, especially when they feel that they've been put in a commuting situation by the company's previous business decisions.  But if I were "forced" to commute I wouldn't insist that the majority of my new coworkers should have to change what's been working well for them for a very long time in order to accommodate my life situation, even if there were contractual language with which I could try to.  That's just me.
 
FCFS meets my standard of fairness and workability so I'm okay with it.

 

[traderjake]

DOH, is the fairer way for employees

 
No, it is not.
 
It's no surprise that the senior people always think they deserve first pick on everything on the table and those those below them should be happy with the crumbs. 

 

[Rogallo]

 
It's no surprise that the senior people always think they deserve first pick on everything on the table and those those below them should be happy with the crumbs. 

 
Kinda along the same lines as greedy corporate executives!

 

[MCI transplant]

Hey how does this sound? ------ Retirees, board with their DOH on the day they retired!------  Mine would be 40 years!!!! Yea! Sounds good to me!!!