Negotiations........why?

[Overspeed]

Very good question. The spokesman for the association might not be just one person. It might not be anyone from either side. It might be someone from the AFL-CIO or maybe the AFL-CIO themselves. You have to ask who created and pushed for the association? Was it one person's mastermind for financial gain or preservation? The association is like a self running computer and no one person can alter it's programming left by someone who no longer is in charge. It's a mess. Again it should have been ONE UNION, ONE VOICE.

 
With the TWU we knew it was the AA M&R Rep or AA System Coordinator when it was just TWU. Now with Association I assume the spokesperson should be who is chairing it. That's the IAM so then if a local officer makes system wide demands or asks I would imagine the company would siregard them unless it comes through the chair. Our locals are mainly only for grievances now it seems. Contractual interpretations and negotiations are Association business now.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
With the TWU we knew it was the AA M&R Rep or AA System Coordinator when it was just TWU. Now with Association I assume the spokesperson should be who is chairing it. That's the IAM so then if a local officer makes system wide demands or asks I would imagine the company would siregard them unless it comes through the chair. Our locals are mainly only for grievances now it seems. Contractual interpretations and negotiations are Association business now.

 
 
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Negotiations have always been with the Intl. I assume you know that. The Local officer don't sit with company they are outside of the ROOM. The Intl brings what was discussed then has local teams discuss, but we really don't have a say if the Intl. has made a deal with the devil as they say. I can't believe No snap back clause or retro would be wanted by any mechanic.
1/2 pay for 1st day sick.
 
The TWU Intl here and the IAM Dist. Lodge there I assume have made the choices and then told us what the company wants us to here and see since we as a Group Don't do all the reading and most don't even take the time to Vote.

 

[enough already]

More delays...

Brothers and Sisters,

The process to reconcile our CBA’s with the IAM is continuing. Our next scheduled dates are the week of August 31, 2015 in Dallas and then a week in Chicago at the end of September. I am very disappointed in the fact that we don’t have a more aggressive schedule to get this done for our members who have have lived with concessions for too many years. The company continues to entice members in town hall meetings, saying they will offer a Delta plus 7% contract plus 4% pay raise after a JCBA. I would like to see exactly what the company considers Delta plus 7%. To date I am unaware of any union representative that knows what Delta plus 7% is. Ultimately the CBA belongs to the newly formed TWU/IAM Association. I believe with some pressure from the Association we could speed up the process and get to the table with the Company.



September pay raises

Per Article 4 of our CBA, we are set to receive a 3% rate increase along with an Industry Wage Comparator if applicable on September 12, 2015. I have filed 29D Presidential Grievances on behalf of Title I, Title II, MLS, and MCT’s based on the fact that USAIR is included in the formula that determines industry average. I believe that LUS should not be used in the formula since they are no longer our competitor. It is unfortunate that all members have made equal sacrifices over the years, but based on Government Economic Indexes not all will get the additional bump on top of the contractual raises they will receive. I will work hard in negotiations to get Industry Leading Wages and Benefits for all classifications represented by our Local.



401k

Please be mindful of the upcoming changes to everyone’s 401k plans. You have to make a choice on your investments or the plan will automatically look at your date of birth and pick an investment plan to match your retirement age. The window to pick your investments is September 15, 2015 to October 15, 2015.

In Solidarity,

Dale Danker

 

[2ndGENAMT]

And not a single word about what has been discussed or what needs to be reconciled, just "we will continue discussions at a later date". Thanks for the update Dale.

 

[iluvaa]

Meeting one week a month WTF is that all about its gonna be years for sure

 

[mike33]

Work Safe. Safety Rules can be the companies worst nightmare

 

[Overspeed]

More delays...

Brothers and Sisters,

The process to reconcile our CBA’s with the IAM is continuing. Our next scheduled dates are the week of August 31, 2015 in Dallas and then a week in Chicago at the end of September. I am very disappointed in the fact that we don’t have a more aggressive schedule to get this done for our members who have have lived with concessions for too many years. The company continues to entice members in town hall meetings, saying they will offer a Delta plus 7% contract plus 4% pay raise after a JCBA. I would like to see exactly what the company considers Delta plus 7%. To date I am unaware of any union representative that knows what Delta plus 7% is. Ultimately the CBA belongs to the newly formed TWU/IAM Association. I believe with some pressure from the Association we could speed up the process and get to the table with the Company.



September pay raises

Per Article 4 of our CBA, we are set to receive a 3% rate increase along with an Industry Wage Comparator if applicable on September 12, 2015. I have filed 29D Presidential Grievances on behalf of Title I, Title II, MLS, and MCT’s based on the fact that USAIR is included in the formula that determines industry average. I believe that LUS should not be used in the formula since they are no longer our competitor. It is unfortunate that all members have made equal sacrifices over the years, but based on Government Economic Indexes not all will get the additional bump on top of the contractual raises they will receive. I will work hard in negotiations to get Industry Leading Wages and Benefits for all classifications represented by our Local.



401k

Please be mindful of the upcoming changes to everyone’s 401k plans. You have to make a choice on your investments or the plan will automatically look at your date of birth and pick an investment plan to match your retirement age. The window to pick your investments is September 15, 2015 to October 15, 2015.

In Solidarity,

Dale Danker

 
Well there's a disconnect between this letter and Parker's latest town hall in DFW. He was asked about the 4% raise and he said DL + 7 includes the Dec 2014 4%.
 
Parker said they won't present a proposal until the negotiation dates are set. He said proposals are part of the negotiating process and has no intention of passing proposals outside negotiations. He said once the Association sets a date they will be ready with a proposal.
 
Wait, 514 is breaking ranks on the wage adjustment. I thought the Seymour letter said the new rates were validated by the Association? Something is  not right somewhere.

 

[MetalMover]

DFW Town Hall, Parker says no paying for the raises with work rules, Delta +7 on top of whatever the Association comes up with and expects the Association to be ready soon.
At least that's how I interpreted his answer.

Comments?

If you view the JFK town hall where Chuck Schalk asked him the same question, wait until the end of his comments and he says it doesn't mean there WON'T be work rule changes.

 

[Overspeed]

If you view the JFK town hall where Chuck Schalk asked him the same question, wait until the end of his comments and he says it doesn't mean there WON'T be work rule changes.

 
But at the DFW town hall he said it won't result in getting the effect of a pay raise back. That's quite a reach to say a work rule change won't save teh company money with no monetary effect. Well maybe not individually but if you change a work rule that may require less people or outsource more work it is a savings to the company due to a reduction in total jobs. So he must want us to give up jobs. Do you believe outsourcing more is in our future? DL+7 means a scope clause that looks like the way they do business. No airframe overhaul.
 
Parker is no idiot. He wants to pay more to less people and that may come out to a zero cost contract for him if he gets the work rules he wants. I hope someone on the committee is paying attention to Parker's doublespeak.

 

[MetalMover]

 
But at the DFW town hall he said it won't result in getting the effect of a pay raise back. That's quite a reach to say a work rule change won't save teh company money with no monetary effect. Well maybe not individually but if you change a work rule that may require less people or outsource more work it is a savings to the company due to a reduction in total jobs. So he must want us to give up jobs. Do you believe outsourcing more is in our future? DL+7 means a scope clause that looks like the way they do business. No airframe overhaul.
 
Parker is no idiot. He wants to pay more to less people and that may come out to a zero cost contract for him if he gets the work rules he wants. I hope someone on the committee is paying attention to Parker's doublespeak.

Here's the way I see it.......Look back at what we started losing in the 80's...Look at where we were with regards to doing all work in house and the number of heads we had total.....Now look at where we are today.....Have we not lost thousands and thousands of mechanics? Have we not saw a huge increase in outsourcing? Have we not seen jobs lost contract after contract year after year? So what work rules would they want that would make so much of a difference we would turn down ANY raise? New flash: Our current contract allows for more outsourcing.
 
Having said this, if they want further work changes, Delta + 7 ain't gonna cut it!

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Say what you want about Dale Danker but we have never had a local 514 president that actually fought for us.   Has anyone stopped the think that maybe the IAM is the problem?  I am guessing they strolled in the room and announced they would be leading the negotiations without realizing that the TWU has them out voted 3 to 1 with the membership.  So I they better listen to Danker, Peterson and Pike or they don't get a contract passed.  Remember that the IAM doesn't have a bunch of the crap in their contract that we have.  They also settled for our pay not too long ago with Parker bragging about record profits.  They don't seem smart enough to know Parker played them.  They may not be smart enough to realize they don't have enough votes.  For instance.....  What if they want to move work from Tulsa to PIT.  You think Danker is going to go for that?  I like that Danker is fighting them.  

 

[2ndGENAMT]

The last time I saw Dale was about halfway through the intervenor period set by the NMB. He and Pike were standing behind Sean Doyle like they were his lackeys while Doyle told the crowd how great the Association is for us and how no one can understand how the TWU got out of BK without a pay cut!

No offense OldGuy but I do not trust anyone in our Local leadership! Not Danker, not that corrupt VP or even our chairman of maintenance..

 

[700UW]

The association agreement put the IAM in control for the first two years, your union agreed to it.

The IAM has certain things that were scheduled already that some on the NC need to attend too, especially the person running negotiations.

 

[1AA]

Nobody seems to be running negotiations. If someone stood up and took control we would be further along than we are now. They see no pressure. The dues keep flowing and we have no say about anything. Union democracy at its worst.

 

[700UW]

Someone is running them and he is from the IAM, go ask your TWU reps about it.