Negotiations........why?

[Buck]

Thank you sir for that bit if information. Now we can all sleep at night.

Why would the TWU have to refuse to talk with their counterparts at the IAM ( ASSOCIATION ) the IAM team is in charge for the first two years, right?

 

[Buck]

Tech crew chief?

I would have thought as knowledgeable as you are, you would have at least glanced at the TWU contract book? 

 

[Buck]

MOC which is Maintenance Control are part of the M&R CBA.
 
They have line foreman, but they dont touch planes.
 
Can you be a bit more specific please?

MOC at AA and the TWU is under separate CBA. AA/TWU Tech Crew Chiefs ( TULE ) work under the M&R CBA and are compensated as Crew Chief's. 

 

[700UW]

Doesn't matter about the CBA, that will be reconciled .

For example at US stores is under the M&R CBA, and at AA they have their own CBA, those are housekeeping issues.

 

[Overspeed]

Past, or present, no one is held accountable in the TWU, but your love/hate relationship with certain TWU leaders is very objective.

Hate? Again, in your subjective assessment not mine. Critical? Yes I am very critical. It's not hard to realize that the current regime threw rocks constantly and now that they are in the cockpit they've done nothing to benefit us. Where's our gain sharing? Even if they don't like it it's money in our pay checks. Wage adjustment? GP is taking the Company's side.

That's not hate brother. Those are facts.

 

[Rogallo]

C'mon man. You blame local leadership. Everybody knows the Int'l runs the show. You're not blaming them?

 

[Overspeed]

C'mon man. You blame local leadership. Everybody knows the Int'l runs the show. You're not blaming them?

 
To the contrary, I wrote in the Prefunding thread several things about what I find lacking at the ATD. Why would Drummiond write a letter ahead of the arbitration saying the TWU is willing to accept payments on the match for those who have retired. The TWU position was that the match get paid out period. No payments. That's a Int'l screw up in IMO. The lack of transparency on the the Equity unpaid shares/funds is another Int'l misstep. We were told that we would see a regular accounting of the attorney fees and what about where the sold shares are? Who has those funds? What was the exact court statement that said they needed to be sold? Doyle hasn't said much at all on what's happening. We have a right to know. The stewards of the Equity Share - the Int'l and local committee members - have a fiduciary duty to report to us what they are doing with our stock/money.
 
I blame the local when they take the company's position on the wage adjustment. The locals are siding with the company and that could cost us $2K a year? $4K? The local officers work for us not the company.

 

[Buck]

MOC at AA and the TWU is under separate CBA. AA/TWU Tech Crew Chiefs ( TULE ) work under the M&R CBA and are compensated as Crew Chief's. 

You used a CBA as an example and now it does not matter?

 

[Overspeed]

The Catholic Church removed some of its Pious members that were accused of actions with younger members of the church. Perhaps if the membership had such an ability these individuals you are mad at would behave differently.

True but it took a change in the Pope to bring that about. The TWU cardinals, I mean delegates elected the new pope, Lombardo I. Since we aren't seeing the changes we wanted are you suggesting we go with a new team? You got a couple of years to put together a ticket.

 

[700UW]

Housekeeping issue the NMB had addressed this in their determination.

 

[Rogallo]

 
To the contrary, I wrote in the Prefunding thread several things about what I find lacking at the ATD. Why would Drummiond write a letter ahead of the arbitration saying the TWU is willing to accept payments on the match for those who have retired. The TWU position was that the match get paid out period. No payments. That's a Int'l screw up in IMO. The lack of transparency on the the Equity unpaid shares/funds is another Int'l misstep. We were told that we would see a regular accounting of the attorney fees and what about where the sold shares are? Who has those funds? What was the exact court statement that said they needed to be sold? Doyle hasn't said much at all on what's happening. We have a right to know. The stewards of the Equity Share - the Int'l and local committee members - have a fiduciary duty to report to us what they are doing with our stock/money.
 
I blame the local when they take the company's position on the wage adjustment. The locals are siding with the company and that could cost us $2K a year? $4K? The local officers work for us not the company.

 
It's just all of a sudden you seem a lot more vocal in your criticism of the current TWU leadership then you did of that last group of leaders. 
 
Just my observation!

 

[1AA]

It's just all of a sudden you seem a lot more vocal in your criticism of the current TWU leadership then you did of that last group of leaders. 
 
Just my observation!

He had an agenda and now it's gone. He has a new agenda. Don't trust the man behind the TWU curtain.

 

[Overspeed]

 
It's just all of a sudden you seem a lot more vocal in your criticism of the current TWU leadership then you did of that last group of leaders. 
 
Just my observation!

 
Albeit a subjective one.
 
I am still just as critical of the same vote no coalition people. No change there. Vote no coalition wanted Team Little out and they got that after promising their delegates to Team Lombardo then they got outplayed and shut out again. Never thinking of the end game which is what was pointed out in the past. They have a losing record on delivering on their promises but are sure good at blaming everyone else. Eeven if they don't agree with the language in the curent CBA they can at least enforce it in our favor. Insist on not including US in the wage adjustment because it puts more money in our pockets including the US/IAM members. Get a date for the gain sharing grievance. Gain sharing was supposed to replace and improve on the AIP so if it puts money in our pockets and retro back to 9/2012 so get us that money. Sounds like Drummond made a deal on Prefunding based on his letter, cancel that and get us the one time payment we were told we were supposed to get.
 
Wasn't in favor of the TWU pursuing the merger with Uncle Doug. Thought it was a bad deal then and we were selling our souls to get rid of Horton. We were going to be better off, even though we got screwed in BK, with going it alone. The only people that one on the merger was Parker and his executive team. We see that now. I told the Int'l people that came around here that and they had tunnel vision on just getting rid of Horton.

 

[Rogallo]

 
Albeit a subjective one.
 
I am still just as critical of the same vote no coalition people. No change there. Vote no coalition wanted Team Little out and they got that after promising their delegates to Team Lombardo then they got outplayed and shut out again. Never thinking of the end game which is what was pointed out in the past. They have a losing record on delivering on their promises but are sure good at blaming everyone else. Eeven if they don't agree with the language in the curent CBA they can at least enforce it in our favor. Insist on not including US in the wage adjustment because it puts more money in our pockets including the US/IAM members. Get a date for the gain sharing grievance. Gain sharing was supposed to replace and improve on the AIP so if it puts money in our pockets and retro back to 9/2012 so get us that money. Sounds like Drummond made a deal on Prefunding based on his letter, cancel that and get us the one time payment we were told we were supposed to get.
 
Wasn't in favor of the TWU pursuing the merger with Uncle Doug. Thought it was a bad deal then and we were selling our souls to get rid of Horton. We were going to be better off, even though we got screwed in BK, with going it alone. The only people that one on the merger was Parker and his executive team. We see that now. I told the Int'l people that came around here that and they had tunnel vision on just getting rid of Horton.

 
Opinions are subjective. I have mine, you have yours. I was against the merger too as were most of my coworkers I talk to. But as usual the dues paying membership under the TWU have no say in these types of matters.
 
Team Lombardo, haven't seen anything yet from them that I'm impressed with.
 
The blame game, ha, that's the TWU mantra.

 

[CMH_GSE]

Albeit a subjective one.
 
I am still just as critical of the same vote no coalition people. No change there. Vote no coalition wanted Team Little out and they got that after promising their delegates to Team Lombardo then they got outplayed and shut out again. Never thinking of the end game which is what was pointed out in the past. They have a losing record on delivering on their promises but are sure good at blaming everyone else. Eeven if they don't agree with the language in the curent CBA they can at least enforce it in our favor. Insist on not including US in the wage adjustment because it puts more money in our pockets including the US/IAM members. Get a date for the gain sharing grievance. Gain sharing was supposed to replace and improve on the AIP so if it puts money in our pockets and retro back to 9/2012 so get us that money. Sounds like Drummond made a deal on Prefunding based on his letter, cancel that and get us the one time payment we were told we were supposed to get.
 
Wasn't in favor of the TWU pursuing the merger with Uncle Doug. Thought it was a bad deal then and we were selling our souls to get rid of Horton. We were going to be better off, even though we got screwed in BK, with going it alone. The only people that one on the merger was Parker and his executive team. We see that now. I told the Int'l people that came around here that and they had tunnel vision on just getting rid of Horton.

O,
The one thing you keep harping on, the wage adjustment language, is misplaced.

Forget about that, I want all energies put into DL+7 retro back to when the pilots and FAs got theirs. That adds up to a whole lot more than the extra .72cents we will get if LUS is not included in the wage adjustment.