Negotiations........why?

[700UW]

Tech crew chief?

 

[MetalMover]

Tech crew chief?

Yes, we have tech crew chiefs who support the operation. They are not general crew chiefs, or leads as US has. I believe at US they are tech supervisors. 

 

[700UW]

MOC which is Maintenance Control are part of the M&R CBA.
 
They have line foreman, but they dont touch planes.
 
Can you be a bit more specific please?

 

[Rogallo]

MOC which is Maintenance Control are part of the M&R CBA.
 
They have line foreman, but they dont touch planes.
 
Can you be a bit more specific please?

Do you not have access to the TWU CBA?
 
Article 11
CLASSIFICATION DESCRIPTION
Title I – Aviation Maintenance
TECHNICAL CREW CHIEF – AVIATION MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN
(a) The Technical Crew Chief will provide technical assistance, guidance, and training support to the Maintenance and Engineering Department. In those cases where management determines that the work to be performed requires a level of responsibility equivalent to that of a Technical Crew Chief, an employee in the classification may be assigned to that function even though he has no other employees assigned directly to him. As assigned and in addition to the Crew Chief classification description duties outlined in this Agreement, the Technical Crew Chief will:
(1) Receive assignments from management;
(2) Perform and provide technical assistance and guidance in trouble shooting to an employee or employees assigned to him in his shop or work unit;
(3) Assist the crew as necessary, to insure completion of the assignment;
(4) Assist in completing forms, delay reports, logbooks, work cards, F.M.R. and related paperwork;
(5) Perform instruction assignments relating to aircraft systems and related ground support in a classroom or on-the-job training (OJT);
(6) Maintain knowledge of and work with manuals, supply/parts catalogs, minimum equipment lists and general maintenance manuals;
(7) Technical Crew Chiefs must possess a valid Airframe and Powerplant License issued by the FAA or equivalent authority in stations outside the United States. Such employee must have worked for the Company as an Aviation Maintenance Technician Overhaul/Line for a minimum of one year. A Technical Crew Chief will not displace an Aviation Maintenance Technician or Crew Chief during the course of the performance of his duties.
(The applicant will demonstrate knowledge and practical skills ability in the following areas:
(1) Procedures and techniques in troubleshooting and repair of the aircraft types used by the Company and their power plants and components, utilizing the manufacturer's aircraft manuals.
(2) Proficiency in the use of manuals, supply catalogs, minimum equipment lists, general maintenance manuals and wiring diagrams.
(3) Proficiency in oral and written communications for instruction of employees, individually or in a group, using training procedures provided by the Company.
(4) Completion of Company records, such as delay reports, log book entries, field maintenance reports and associated forms in a comprehensible and proficient manner.
(5) A Selection Committee comprised of two (2) TWU represented employees and three (3) Company officials will select the most qualified employee based on the required skills for the position to be filled at a location. In the event of an equal evaluation by the Selection Committee of two (2) or more qualified applicants, seniority will prevail.
(c) Technical Crew Chief Classification applicants selected will be on a trial basis for no longer than six (6) months. In the event that an employee promoted to Technical Crew Chief cannot satisfactorily perform his duties, such employee will be demoted to the classification at the station from which the employee was promoted. A successful candidate for Technical Crew Chief shall not be eligible for self-demotion under the provisions of 12(n) during the first twelve (12) months of his assignment. A bid job vacancy created by the promotion of an employee to Technical Crew Chief may be posted and bid at the Company’s option.
(d) Request for promotion (RFP) to the Technical Crew Chief job will be restricted locally to Mechanics, Crew Chiefs and Inspectors at the location where the vacancy occurs and the award will be determined by the Selection Panel outlined in above. A vacancy created by the transfer, demotion of a Technical Crew Chief may be filled by the Company at its option. In the event there are no successful candidates selected to fill the position, within the station, the Company may post the position to the system.
(e) Technical Crew Chiefs will be placed in separate vacation, overtime, and field trip work units and will be eligible for overtime and field trips as Technical Crew Chiefs.
(f) Technical Crew Chief positions will be included in the system Crew Chief ratio as provided in Article 11(g). Provided however, it is understood by the Company and the Union that staffing under this Article will not be a requirement and will be consistent with the needs of the company.
(g) Any dispute arising out of the interpretation or application of this job description will be reviewed by a panel consisting of the International Vice President, Transport Workers Union, and the Vice President - Maintenance and Engineering, representing the Company, or their respective designees. The panel will issue a binding decision on such questions of interpretation or application.
(h) In addition to the above duties, may perform the following other duties as assigned such as but not limited to: requesting parts, cleaning work area, performing FOD walks, cleaning of aircraft windshields; connecting/removing ground power and ground start units; pushing out/towing of aircraft, and related guideman functions.

 

[Rogallo]

 
Name calling. How creative. Must have blown out a few brain cells on that one word response.
 
Following your path of selective accountability has worked for you how?

 
Truth hurts, ehh?
 
Insults. You're very creative too.

 

[700UW]

Sounds like MOC at US and they are under the M&R CBA.

And the NMB would have handled the situation as they did with the planners, at US planners were union and at AA they weren't, the board accredited that group.

 

[Overspeed]

 
Truth hurts, ehh?
 
Insults. You're very creative too.

 
Truth? In the subjective sense only. Again, the dodge. You only hold certain people accountable.

 

[Overspeed]

Sounds like MOC at US and they are under the M&R CBA.

And the NMB would have handled the situation as they did with the planners, at US planners were union and at AA they weren't, the board accredited that group.

 
The easiest way to look at it is that AA Maintenance Control Technicians work in IOC/MOC. Tech Crew Chiefs work only at the Line and Base and work as instructors, OJT trainers, and work with AMTs on the floor on new procedures and trouble aircraft. The MCTs at AA are in a separate book but are M&R per the NMB. Integrating the AA MCTs and US MOC. Sounds like they do the same job. Does US have CCs in the field that are like trainers and field tech support?

 

[Rogallo]

 
Truth? In the subjective sense only. Again, the dodge. You only hold certain people accountable.

 
Past, or present, no one is held accountable in the TWU, but your love/hate relationship with certain TWU leaders is very objective.

 

[Real tired]

 
The easiest way to look at it is that AA Maintenance Control Technicians work in IOC/MOC. Tech Crew Chiefs work only at the Line and Base and work as instructors, OJT trainers, and work with AMTs on the floor on new procedures and trouble aircraft. The MCTs at AA are in a separate book but are M&R per the NMB. Integrating the AA MCTs and US MOC. Sounds like they do the same job. Does US have CCs in the field that are like trainers and field tech support?

No.  It's called the Maintenance Training Department.
 
Both MOC departments do essentially the same job.  Ours will be in DFW soon.
 
The Tech Crew Chief is unheard of.  What is this persons function in the operation? 

 

[Buck]

Most of us have years of experience with the TWU, and it has been a negative one at least for myself and most of my peers!

Now, Now, I only have 31 years of bad TWU experiences out of 31 years. Don't make such a big deal out of it.....

 

[Buck]

And yet, NOT one update as to WHAT they discussed during each session, not ONE update. They claim to be discussing language, but WHAT language?
I know for a fact that LEAD/CREW CHIEF seniority is a major sticking point. The other is AA tech crew chiefs are union, but their tech counterparts at US are management.

So no word about any of the other non-union positions that the NMB are forcing to become unionized?

 

[Buck]

 
Yes we are sick of a lot of things. So moving forward what are the current 514, 567, and 591 officers doing to move the process along and get us to the table? Instead of having two day and three day sessions how about some marathon sessions to reconcile the approximately 50 differences in the current CBAs? We want and need action on the internal issues so we can get them to the table with Uncle Dougie.
 
Parker and crew stand to reap massive riches from the long term incentives and variable comp. Doug passed on his base income not because he was taking one for the team. He knows this year AAL is forecasted to earn almost $7B in profits. We are not willing to take another year of Parker saying, "I want to give you DL+7% but your union won't talk to me."  
 
Maybe we need to do something like the Catholic Church and lock them in a room and don't let them out until they have the reconcilation complete.
 
The time for no excuses leadership in now.

The Catholic Church removed some of its Pious members that were accused of actions with younger members of the church. Perhaps if the membership had such an ability these individuals you are mad at would behave differently. 

 

[Buck]

You do realize the Presidents on your side also process grievances, as do many on the IAM side?
 
The facts are the TWU refused for months to meet with the IAM, sorry if you dont like it, but thats the reality of the situation.

As for the TWU, why hurry the grievance process now?  

 

[700UW]

PMUS has Maintenance Training Specialist and ther are IAM and have their own CBA, sounds like there are the same as what AA has