Negotiations........why?

[MetalMover]

Ours ...used to be..... by senority only.  We voted that away, and now it's by senority AND an interview process.
 
I actually don't not know, nor have ever heard of anyone going through the process.
 
I think we gained this process in our contract back around 2002 or 2003 during a bankruptcy, IIRC.

In one TA, the company offered to increase crew chief pay in exchange for the interview process. That TA was voted down along with GEO pay...and guess what? The company got the interview process anyway with NO increase on crew chief pay.....

 

[Buck]

In TULE everyone goes through the interview process first regardless of seniority, if there is a tie, then seniority can be the deciding factor. The interview process is based mostly on " Operating Rhythm" and disciplinary actions one would take if necessary. 

 

[swamt]

They are not voted on! Thats why I say this so called negotiation crap is just a farce. We lost our me-too provision and profit sharing in the last letter of agreement.  Who knows how much the removal of those two items cost us. Where would we be if the me-too were still in there. The pilots got better deal right after the merger but we were SOL because our me-too was removed once the merger was approved. Jim Little got the AMT's a 4.3% raise with the LOA but we lost profit sharing and the me-too provision. The twu's research analyst or whatever his title is claimed the twu didn't trade profit sharing for the 4.3% raise. What would it be called then a swap? The exchange occurred on the same LOA. The devil in the details was that less than two years later when the wage adjustment kicked in our wage adjustment would be 4.3% less. So the trade, non trade or whatever label you want to put on the exchange equated to us losing our profit sharing and me-too provision for fronting us 4.3% of our wage adjustment. 
We had no vote, discussion or notice that our bargaining agent was doing this. Just think of the abuse of power a system like this is capable of. We will never know what has exchanged hands over the years by our union boss having this executive ability. 
My concern right now is the prospect of us not having a choice of whether we will get LOA'd into the iamnpf and losing our company match to our 401. It could happen without a vote or notice after the CBA is voted on. That simple!

Unbelievable.  You guys need to somehow recoup the power to vote on everything. This executive decision crap will end up killing all of you.  With this group in charge, they control everything, which includes all members lively hood. I really hope you guys can take control some day and have the power to control your union...

 

[scorpion 2]

Unbelievable.  You guys need to somehow recoup the power to vote on everything. This executive decision crap will end up killing all of you.  With this group in charge, they control everything, which includes all members lively hood. I really hope you guys can take control some day and have the power to control your union...

The first thing we would have to do is get these simpletons to stand upright and pull their pants up. 

 

[Overspeed]

Hey genius, this display of ignorance should have subsided long ago. There is a tremendous difference between a "match" and a "contribution" that the flight folks are receiving to their 401k. Figure it out! Also the age demographics of our mechanic group both at AA and US makes your FA reference a moot point.

I did figure it out. Under 40 get 5.5%, 40 to 49 6.75%, and 9.9% for 50 and older on 2012 seniority list. Starting 2019 the 3% of their eligible comp with a 2.5% match for those on the 2012 list. All new hires after 2012 get 3% plus 2.5% match. And there are quite a few flight attendants that are in the 40 and above. But the steady state total contribution after 2019 is 3%.

That's from their CBA FYI

JABORD and dfwgen...Parker loves you guys.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

what happened to this thread, it got so quiet.........all i asked about was negotiations and our expectations  and nothing........
 
where are the past TWU Loyalists  dennis burchette, don V and gless in telling us how great the TWU is and how we can count on them in negotiations.
 
I guess when the paycheck stops so does the loyalty
 
 

 

[AANOTOK]

Where is NYer and which one was he?

 

[Overspeed]

Chuck,
Read ahead. You already have a few of the items you want and misstated the APFA 401k plan. The 9.9% contribution was only for a limited time and for people age 50 and above. After 2019 everyone goes to 3% plus 2.5% match just like we have in the TWU CBA. The paid meal period is in Art 36 so you got that already. The MCLA and Europe stations are considered part of outsourcing costs and are not considered insourced work.
 
Again, you talk like you have facts but don't really know the facts. A big reason why Carty, Arpey, and now Parker toy with people like you.

 

[MetalMover]

Ours ...used to be..... by senority only.  We voted that away, and now it's by senority AND an interview process.
 
I actually don't not know, nor have ever heard of anyone going through the process.
 
I think we gained this process in our contract back around 2002 or 2003 during a bankruptcy, IIRC.

It seems ironic that seniority would determine who gets the lead position THEN when the senior person gets the lead job, he/she starts that lead position with ZERO time.

 

[john john]

FCFS

 

[scorpion 2]

Chuck,
Read ahead. You already have a few of the items you want and misstated the APFA 401k plan. The 9.9% contribution was only for a limited time and for people age 50 and above. After 2019 everyone goes to 3% plus 2.5% match just like we have in the TWU CBA. The paid meal period is in Art 36 so you got that already. The MCLA and Europe stations are considered part of outsourcing costs and are not considered insourced work.
 
Again, you talk like you have facts but don't really know the facts. A big reason why Carty, Arpey, and now Parker toy with people like you.

most of us wd have gotten the 9% and several wd have been retired by then. So what is your point? 7 years of a much smaller contribution is not a big deal?

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Chuck,
Read ahead. You already have a few of the items you want and misstated the APFA 401k plan. The 9.9% contribution was only for a limited time and for people age 50 and above. After 2019 everyone goes to 3% plus 2.5% match just like we have in the TWU CBA. The paid meal period is in Art 36 so you got that already. The MCLA and Europe stations are considered part of outsourcing costs and are not considered insourced work.
 
Again, you talk like you have facts but don't really know the facts. A big reason why Carty, Arpey, and now Parker toy with people like you.

no they love self serving people who sell themselves for a paycheck no matter who it hurts
 
 that explains all those concessions we were told to vote for!

 

[Overspeed]

Chuck,
I agree they love self serving people.
 
The point is doing the research and laying down a real solid plan is the key to good negotiations. The past back to 2003 the TWU has not had anyone really steering the plane. The cockpit has been loaded with reps that all want the captains chair but have no real flight plan once they get there. It's about control and the membership is extremely apathetic. Many don't want and union because the union has turned in to a fight for who gets to be the king of clubhouse.

 

[Rogallo]

So, what do you think of your old buddy Don's flight plan now?

 

[Overspeed]

Rogallo,
Pretty sure this ain't Don's flight plan. I have no idea who's plan this is. Last time I heard from him he said the prefunding match would get paid out once the court case was over, filed the gain sharing grievance in 2013, and said the wage adjustment would not include US if the merger went through. Haven't seen him since they replaced him with Doyle and Virella.