Negotiations........why?

[AANOTOK]

Go ask your TWU ATD about that.

Should we ask the TWU ATD why they are not meeting every freaking day until they are ready? It is the "ASSociation" now, isn't it. If they have no plans for asking and getting retro, these folks have/are costing us money every single day. Why is the "ASSociation taking a two week break after meeting and exchanging pleasantries after one week.Conehead is right, it is sickening. These boys can sit in their cush chairs and jobs with a nice salary while us frontline folks could use the money they are failing to get us daily. We all know about the TWU, I can now understand why the IAM has unresolved grievances on the books for five years and counting.

 

[MetalMover]

Should we ask the TWU ATD why they are not meeting every freaking day until they are ready? It is the "ASSociation" now, isn't it. If they have no plans for asking and getting retro, these folks have/are costing us money every single day. Why is the "ASSociation taking a two week break after meeting and exchanging pleasantries after one week.Conehead is right, it is sickening. These boys can sit in their cush chairs and jobs with a nice salary while us frontline folks could use the money they are failing to get us daily. We all know about the TWU, I can now understand why the IAM has unresolved grievances on the books for five years and counting.

Good point. How about a DETAILED update after EVERY session? 

 

[MetalMover]

If history dictates, prepare for things to drag along and stay the same for a looooooong time, my friend, a long time.

How's this for history repeating itself?  IAM has the first two years, this will drag on for at least that amount of time THEN the TWU takes over and gets us another industry leading contract......

 

[toroshark]

Go ask your TWU ATD about that.

example of how well this unelected association will function

 

[700UW]

Should we ask the TWU ATD why they are not meeting every freaking day until they are ready? It is the "ASSociation" now, isn't it. If they have no plans for asking and getting retro, these folks have/are costing us money every single day. Why is the "ASSociation taking a two week break after meeting and exchanging pleasantries after one week.Conehead is right, it is sickening. These boys can sit in their cush chairs and jobs with a nice salary while us frontline folks could use the money they are failing to get us daily. We all know about the TWU, I can now understand why the IAM has unresolved grievances on the books for five years and counting.

The ATD refused to meet with the IAM, thats the truth, you remember the letters going back and forth?

 

[swamt]

How's this for history repeating itself?  IAM has the first two years, this will drag on for at least that amount of time THEN the TWU takes over and gets us another industry leading contract......

Keep dreamin. Yes it very well will get dragged out for the 2 years, then the TWU becoming in charge will come in and change everything the IAM was trying to get done to get it to lean more towards the TWU way of doing things.  I have warned and warned you guys about this.  Your industry leading contract is many, many years out and may not even get to be industry leading once it is done...

 

[MetalMover]

Keep dreamin. Yes it very well will get dragged out for the 2 years, then the TWU becoming in charge will come in and change everything the IAM was trying to get done to get it to lean more towards the TWU way of doing things.  I have warned and warned you guys about this.  Your industry leading contract is many, many years out and may not even get to be industry leading once it is done...

Guess you don't know sarcasm when you see it.......TWU bringing back an industry leading contract!    Get it????????

 

[Flying low]

There is no rush to get things done. The TWU's contract doesn't become amendable until Sept 2018, and I think the IAM's doesn't become amendable until sometime 2017. In my thinking we'll see nothing for at least a year and a half.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

If the TWU contract is not amendable until 2018 than you can count on the company to drag its feet until 2020.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

same play book between the company and the TWU ATD.
 
Hold meetings within ourselves for weeks, meet with company briefly, proposal is handed out by the TWU atd for the presidents to vote on.
I beleive the deal is cut and this is all part of the show if history be our guide.
this is why i say "what are we negotiating".
 
Get the company to give back monetary concessions now and then we can work on language. 
 
from 2003 to present:
The company took our pay cuts,benefits and our language changed continously even after the contract.
 
so lets just do it inversely, Give us back concessions and pay us a rightful industry wage and i mean industry including cargo airline mechanics. Note: their work and licenses are the same responsibility under the FAA !
then we can talk about language for the next 12 years.
 
We are a required profesionals to maintain large commercial aircraft and command wages for that
responsibility.
 
We have lagged the industry for too long and have put a great strain on other airline mechanics in their negotiations because of our weakness.
 
Any upticks in this upcoming contract should not be treated as a gift to us but more as a repayment on a huge loan over the last 20 years!
 
 
I will not forget the life changing concessions we gave up for the company survival and neither should any of you

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Get the company to give back monetary concessions now and then we can work on language. 
 
Give us back concessions and pay us a rightful industry wage and i mean industry including cargo airline mechanics.

Give?
 
Do you give away money?
 
Why would you expect a business to do it?
 

We are a required profesionals to maintain large commercial aircraft and command wages for that responsibility.

In business you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate. Consider your negotiators. 
 

Any upticks in this upcoming contract should not be treated as a gift to us but more as a repayment on a huge loan over the last 20 years!

Loan? Your contract states you perform labor for X amount of compensation.  As far as the company is concerned if they paid you to contract standards they owe you nothing.
 

I will not forget the life changing concessions we gave up for the company survival and neither should any of you

Gave up for company survival?
 
Seriously?
 
Your concern was was for your own employment and your pension. There was no sacrifice, only self preservation and a reaction to fear. 
 
Can't you face the fact that you were played? American Airlines lied about their financial position to secure concessions, then double dipped with a sham bankruptcy, then bragged about "The Largest Purchase In Airline History"
 
 
Chuck I respect your ideals but you need to understand you have the government, the company, and your own UNION all working against you. Until you stop using the word give and start using the word demand you are never going to get anywhere. Give means you are dependent. When you are dependent you have no power.
 
Why should the company negotiate anything favorable to you when you have no power?
 
I am not trying to be rude or disrespectful but I think it is time people face the truth. The association does not empower you, it traps, controls, and manipulates you (and charges you for the "service"). If you want power you need a UNION that YOU control and be willing to strike despite the risk of job termination. You may win you may lose..... but if you allow the company to cheat you, the UNION to manipulate you, and the government to deny your right to strike you are going to lose anyway.

 

[Flying low]

If the TWU contract is not amendable until 2018 than you can count on the company to drag its feet until 2020.

I don't think the company is dragging it out, it's the freeking TWU & IAM dragging their feet. As I understand, They haven't even starting talking to the company yet.

 

[1AA]

This industry is a monkey see, monkey do. If you think we are going to get a jcba anytime soon your dreaming. Both groups have contracts in place for the next 3 to 4 years. The company is making money. We are one company to be in October. No more worries on the unions part about representational elections and the threat of AMFA. The Association is safe for at least the next 3 years. Dues are flowing and the company is making money. Look at UAL negotiations with the AMT'S and the flight attendants. They still do not have a JCBA. What's the rush? We have no backing in negotiations from our unions and the NMB. The odds are against us. Remember the promised vote for the association? More union lies. So if you want updates what makes you think they are telling us the truth? The association got what they wanted and now we get screwed again. Business as usual. I hope no one is surprised or expecting something good out of this association. Get your house in order because that Brinks truck won't be stopping by your house anytime soon.

 

[Overspeed]

5L,
A sobering but truthful assessment of the last 12 years and the current situation.

 

[swamt]

Guess you don't know sarcasm when you see it.......TWU bringing back an industry leading contract!    Get it????????

Oh. My bad.  LOL  Got it...