700 per diem is for meal expenses. Did you mean duty rigs by any chance? If so, yes there are some, but they have been watered down over the years and company has gotten good at building trips that have little if any in them. Last month I had 6 minutes, and most long haul have none.
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700 per diem is for meal expenses. Did you mean duty rigs by any chance? If so, yes there are some, but they have been watered down over the years and company has gotten good at building trips that have little if any in them. Last month I had 6 minutes, and most long haul have none.
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700 is all over the map for one simple reason... he cant' accept that the pilots are at the limit and thus ambivalent about the company staying in business... that is to say, if the bean counters say we need to give more to save the company we might not even care enough to laugh. 700 doesn't want to accept that the conversation is over and is now trying to invent ways to prove pilots are overpaid and underworked. Yawn...
Just trying to edumicate............
I don't think he works for the company anymore. Maybe we could hook him up with Jim and jetz and get him an application for the Old Chip On the Shoulder Club.
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Chip used to be in a league all by himself but the lines of distinction are blurring. Until Chip is retired we won't know how he measures up.
Personally I think its great to have everyone here adding to the entertainment!Phoenix,Chip used to be in a league all by himself but the lines of distinction are blurring. Until Chip is retired we won't know how he measures up.
For some reason 700uw seems to think we are getting rich on per diem. It Sort of reminds me of a time back in the late 80's when I ran into a NW crew on a overnight and they said that the reason we were doing so well was the fact we had mainline service to
ACY. I did that a couple of times on the 9 and the load factor was maybe 30% on the average. People hear something repeated enough times and it becomes .....fact. Hell if 700uw is right about us getting paid for what he thinks we get paid for then the company owes me about 3 million dollars and I've been wasting my money on those damn powerball and megamillion tickets. I could have been retired years ago!
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Bob
Really. What's that old joke? If I got paid as much as my neighbor thinks, as much time off as my mother in law thinks, and ______ as much as my wife thinks, I'd be doing great!
Gabby,
I started with Allegheny in 1973. Add up my W-2 earnings from the airliine from 73 to dec 77 and it comes up to less than $15,000. Of course there were some furoughs. The good news about the furloughs back then is that you could usually find another job that paid more than a low seniority airline pilot's wage.
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Bob
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According to "The Inflation Calculator", that $15,000 in 1977 is equal to $53,333 in 2010. I think that was a little more buying power, but point taken.
Actually the 15,000 was what I got from the airline from 73 to dec77...not per year but the total time from 73 through 77. The actual pay rate for a CV-580 f/o was 150./week for the first six months then 175./week for the 2nd six months for a grand total of $7,800 for the first year but by the 3rd year you got over $14,000/yr.
Bob
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Would be nice to start at a major airline then work your way up. Now to be competitive you need 7000 hrs plus. Would be interesting to see what the hour requirement was back then. Right now I am at just over 7000hrs with 2500 a's a captain in a jet but not quite qualified to sit right seat in an airbus. Or if I go to a 190 I get reimbursed at $35k for my 10 years of experience. And start at year one pay/seniority....If I did start with a c580 then I would be looking at year 10 pay. Not first.
Gabby,
When I got I hired I had 5500 hrs and an ATP which was about average for my class but that was after several years of airlines not hiring. I just read an article about an upcoming pilot shortage which I hope is true but it seems like they have been talking about an upcoming pilot shortage since I started flying in 1963.
Good luck,
Bob
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767one, sorry I misunderstood your $15,000 per year post. If we keep getting this Hope and Change, we may not have to worry much longer about a pilot shortage, there may be an airline shortage and an unemployed pilot surplus! Geez, the economic data is horrible!
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So do you want the 190's in-house or flown by Mesa? They aren't going to pay any more just to keep them in-house.
This is the same argument that arose when the first RJ's went to Comair in the early 90's.
Scope and Compensation ride the same see-saw; always have always will.
This is the same argument that arose when the first RJ's went to Comair in the early 90's.
Scope and Compensation ride the same see-saw; always have always will.
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I think we would all be better off, and this includes passengers, if all brand flying was done under one company.
If it says Delta on the side then they should be Delta pilots. Same goes for US Airways/United etc...
Ask the Colgan families of flight 3407. The passengers bought a ticket on Continental, they should be flying on
Continental. I don't think it's a pipe dream either. Congress just needs to pass a law that has the public's best
interests.
