Mainline 190 Pay

[FWAAA]

I figured that almost all the captains are at TOS but that wasn't the question asked. But thanks for the correction on the F/O's. I just assumed that the F/O's were almost entirely post-99/00 hires or transfers in the case of the CEL pilots.

Jim

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always get the last dig in eh jim.?

I didn't see where it specifically asked about FO/s

I think that is why so many EAST can't stand your posts.

The OP asked about a $55/hr topout. Since that's the rate for First Officers, it's planely obvious that the question asked was "specifically about FO/s." Had the OP talked about a $99/hr payrate, that would have been a clue that the OP was talking about Captain payrates.

I agree with BoeingBoy: if you read his post as a "dig," then you could use some thicker, less sensitive skin.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Thanks FWAAA - you nailed the answer I would have given.

Jim

 

[gabby]

"Criminal
Doesn't anyone see a problem here?"

Hyperbole much?
Nothing about a Job is criminal unless they hold a gun to your head and make you take the job and won't let you quit.

Well the law isn't exactly black and white. The wages came to be, somehow. Did Parker go the pilot group and give them all a .002% raise if they agree to it?
What's crimminal is that money could have been passed under the table.
US Airways pilots didn't make these wages back in 1980. Fast forward to 2011, and it's crimminal.

 

[PHL]

Well the law isn't exactly black and white. The wages came to be, somehow. Did Parker go the pilot group and give them all a .002% raise if they agree to it?
What's crimminal is that money could have been passed under the table.
US Airways pilots didn't make these wages back in 1980. Fast forward to 2011, and it's crimminal.

Funny, you said nothing in your initial post about alleged criminal dealings. Please expound on this if you know something, or better yet, file a criminal complaint. Otherwise, talk to your union about why they negotiated these rates.

 

[nic4us]

The short version is:

If you can see an airline pilot, that pilot is not, almost without exception, "on the clock."

Pretty much holds true, particularly if you see an east pilot deadheading in the back of an airplane.

I have to do a couple deaheads next month, so being a West pilot, while the public sees me in the back doing a Soduku puzzle and having a Coke, they can rest assured that I am "on the clock".

Here is the totally ironic kicker that I just love. One of my deadheads is on east metal. So, while the public sees me in back, reading the USA Today, and looking for any more embarrassing usapa ads, I will be getting paid more than the east pilot flying the plane. Oh, and if the east pilots are "on board" and for some reason the flight cancels, the public can see me go to the hotel, having collected the pay for the canceled deadhead.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Come on Nic - let's stick to E-190 pay in this one... :blink:

Jim

 

[gabby]

Funny, you said nothing in your initial post about alleged criminal dealings. Please expound on this if you know something, or better yet, file a criminal complaint. Otherwise, talk to your union about why they negotiated these rates.

I am just questioning someones ethics and/or integrity. Whoever made the decision that these wages are acceptable should step forward. This "I got mine, so screw you" mentality has to stop.

 

[nic4us]

Come on Nic - let's stick to E-190 pay in this one... :blink:

Jim

Okay, you are right. I hope my east metal deadhead is on a 190. I have never set foot on one and would like to check it out.

Further, the fact that I would be making more riding in the back then both the pilots combined just don't seem right.

We all know the 190 pay needs to come up, we all know all the pay rates need to come up (on a % basis the 190 the most), we all know the east and West should have pay parity, and we all know why it ain't happening.

 

[Redneck]

And yet, pilots are still enrolling in the Embry Riddles of the world, taking on huge debt that will take years to pay off and being fully informed about the job conditions, pay and the long rise up the seniority ladder. Why should an airline increase that pay when there are far more available pilots willing to work than there are positions??

Actually, they aren't. Most pilots start at a regional airline. Regional airlines were the bean counters methodolgy for busting up mainline scope in management's post 9-11 concessionary wet dream which came true.

The FO at the regional is making $12 to $20 dollars in the hourly worker scenario mentioned by a previous poster. Many regionals are interviewing and can't fill classes. Regional airlines are now cancelling revenue flights because they do not pay enough to attract and retain their pilots. Many regional airlines abuse the pilots they have and this leads to further attrition and sick usage.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

 

[Metroyet]

Don't worry about poverty pay rates. I'm sure a bunch of mis-guided idiots walking in circles will fix everything. Thank your local USAPA voter for the paycheck.

 

[autofixer]

Don't worry about poverty pay rates. I'm sure a bunch of mis-guided idiots walking in circles will fix everything. Thank your local USAPA voter for the paycheck.

I believe those rates were negotiated and ratified by ALPA.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I believe those rates were negotiated and ratified by ALPA.

By the east and west NC's and MEC's. At least on the east, ratified by pilots who never expected to fly the 190's.

Jim

 

[crazystnic]

Don't worry about poverty pay rates. I'm sure a bunch of mis-guided idiots walking in circles will fix everything. Thank your local USAPA voter for the paycheck.

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funny I haven't heard Parker extend any olive branches to move this together. He just says we have an offer on the table...

 

[88 B.T.D.]

We all know the 190 pay needs to come up, we all know all the pay rates need to come up (on a % basis the 190 most).............., and we all know why it ain't happening.

E-190 pay can't change even with a new CBA for several more years due to the Transition Agreement section XI. Not negotiable till Jun 2015 unless 4 US carriers are flying 25 by 2013.

 

[Metroyet]

I believe those rates were negotiated and ratified by ALPA.

NEWSFLASH!! They're the same folks that are USAPA. The very same people. The east decided to take their ball and go home at the expense of the190 crowd. Oh well.