Mainline 190 Pay

[BoeingBoy]

Sorry BB.

No sweat - I've been a target of the hard core easties since I said I was opposed to DOH on principle.

Jim

 

[Barrister]

Yo, the 190's are not 'replacement' aircraft for 737s or ABs......right?
When mgmt. sold the idea of the 190 joining the fleet (sort of), they said it was to open new thin markets like AUS, ABQ, etc.
Ahem....haven't seen CLT-AUS or PHL-AUS on the sched yet for the 190.
According to crew news, they've found their niche on the shuttle (buy we're not replacing Grp2 a/c with the 190, noooooooooo.)
Cheers.

I am quit certain that Siegal touted the 190s as replacement for the 737s

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[BoeingBoy]

I am quit certain that Siegal touted the 190s as replacement for the 737s

Would that be the Siegal that didn't order any 190's (although the 170 orders could be converted to 175/190's if desired). I believe he talked of the 170's being replacements for 737's (more mainline flying turned over to Express).

The remaining orders weren't converted to 190's till the merger - that was Lakefield/Parker.

Jim

 

[NoYellowNeck]

Would that be the Siegal that didn't order any 190's (although the 170 orders could be converted to 175/190's if desired). I believe he talked of the 170's being replacements for 737's (more mainline flying turned over to Express).

The remaining orders weren't converted to 190's till the merger - that was Lakefield/Parker.

Jim

Damn you and your facts!

 

[4merresrat]

...And for all you non-aviator types reading this forum, you probably don't realize why guys are whining about 50 or 60 bucks an hour.
The short answer is: take that nmber and divide it in half - that's how you can compare that wage to the real world hourly worker.
Much of the time, pilots only get paid when the aircraft is in motion, so when you see them walking in the terminal to get to their next flight, or doing a preflight inspection, or sitting in the cockpit waiting for the passengers to sit down, they are not getting paid. The upshot is that it takes 160-170 hours of on duty (not at the hotel on an overnight) time to realize 80-85 hours of flight pay. (and since the FAA only permits pilots to fly 1000 hrs a year...1000/12=85/month - roughly)
So, the F/O's in the 190's, who are highly skilled professionals with great amounts of experience, are not being compensated well.
One of our returned furloughed guys worked as a janitor while he was out and made more money doing that job.

Hmm 56-60k a year for 85 hours a month. Sounds pretty sweet for a flight attendant gig. And no, pilots are highly skilled professionals but flight attendants I believe need only a high school diploma. Lets be honest here.

And your last sentence says a lot; furloughed guy worked as a janitor. Does that tell you what other jobs they are qualified for? And if he made more working in sanitation then why did he return to U.S. (which everyone seems to hate btw). Maybe they really didn't make more with benefits and vacation? Or maybe the janitorial work was just a lot harder. Hmm, makes one wonder.

 

[Barrister]

Would that be the Siegal that didn't order any 190's (although the 170 orders could be converted to 175/190's if desired). I believe he talked of the 170's being replacements for 737's (more mainline flying turned over to Express).

The remaining orders weren't converted to 190's till the merger - that was Lakefield/Parker.

Jim

No all knowing one Siegal didn't order 190s and no one said he did...moron....he said that they like
the 190 because it is comparable to the 170 and will be the replacement for the 737. Again your
reasearch is faulty but whats new!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[cactusboy53]

So do you want the 190's in-house or flown by Mesa? They aren't going to pay any more just to keep them in-house.

This is the same argument that arose when the first RJ's went to Comair in the early 90's.

Scope and Compensation ride the same see-saw; always have always will.

However, JetBlue contract for the EMB 190 Captain goes from $124.36 (year 1) to $142.83 maximum at year 12. We are paying $78-$96 for the same job. We are akin to JetBlue in many ways. I see no reason (other than corporate greed) for us to have a wage that is in that ball park. Further, our RJ feeder airlines compete with Southwest Airlines regional jet fleet of B737's (PHX to ABQ, PHX to MCI, LAS to SFO, to name a few).

That argument said, there will be a real pilot shortage in the not too distant future. That will make regional airlines virtually obsolete. The pendulum is about to swing to the other end of the arc.

 

[PullUp]

Hmm 56-60k a year for 85 hours a month. Sounds pretty sweet for a flight attendant gig. And no, pilots are highly skilled professionals but flight attendants I believe need only a high school diploma. Lets be honest here.

And your last sentence says a lot; furloughed guy worked as a janitor. Does that tell you what other jobs they are qualified for? And if he made more working in sanitation then why did he return to U.S. (which everyone seems to hate btw). Maybe they really didn't make more with benefits and vacation? Or maybe the janitorial work was just a lot harder. Hmm, makes one wonder.

Dude, the 39-52 range is for E190 F/O's, not F/A's....
BTW, the senior F/A's make more than the junior F/O's on the 190.
Another resounding ALPA victory.
And no, the janitorial work was not 'harder', just boring - but with great bennies.
Cheers.

 

[Barrister]

Damn you and your facts!

He is wrong and your nose is up his rear end....so what does that make you!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[NoYellowNeck]

He is wrong and your nose is up his rear end....so what does that make you!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

If you don't have anything to post that proves him wrong then STFU.

 

[Barrister]

If you don't have anything to post that proves him wrong then STFU.

No one ever said Siegal ordered the 190s but BB jumped in there with both of his old
dry calloused feet!!!! Siegal commented that the 190 would be good because
of the commonality with the 170 and would be the replacement for the 737..
so read the whole post before you spout your bile rambling.......just stew in the
fact that regardless what happens here you won't be able to brag to all of your homies
out at the local airport that you are big airline captain.......will suck to be you......
your upgrade is on the way........about 15 years from now......ENJOY!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[NoYellowNeck]

No one ever said Siegal ordered the 190s but BB jumped in there with both of his old
dry calloused feet!!!! Siegal commented that the 190 would be good because
of the commonality with the 170 and would be the replacement for the 737..
so read the whole post before you spout your bile rambling.......just stew in the
fact that regardless what happens here you won't be able to brag to all of your homies
out at the local airport that you are big airline captain.......will suck to be you......
your upgrade is on the way........about 15 years from now......ENJOY!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

How do you know his feet are dry and calloused?

Are you the one he talks about that rubs lotion on them?

Oh, and I can brag to my "homies" out at the local airport that I'm not on LOA 93. You know about LOA 93, don't you? Its the sub-B pay scale you're working under. You brag to your homies about that?

 

[Barrister]

='NoYellowNeck' timestamp='1313336766' post='821525']
How do you know his feet are dry and calloused?

Are you the one he talks about that rubs lotion on them?

Oh, and I can brag to my "homies" out at the local airport that I'm not on LOA 93. You know about LOA 93, don't you? Its the sub-B pay scale you're working under. You brag to your homies about that?
[/quote]

When you get b.... slapped is that the best you can do....... If it gets too hot for you here you can always
go back to instructing in C-150s ....the career progression you have there will be better....COUNT ON IT !!!

The fact that you have tire tracks on your back do not bother me one bit......enjoy your new career
expectation!!!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[NoYellowNeck]

#### slapped?!?! Seriously?

When you post something unsubstantial, which you normally do, I have to find other avenues to distract me and put you in your place.

I've obviously done so, again, as you lashed out at me.

Calm down.

And you'll be on LOA 93 for quite a bit longer - COUNT ON IT!

Suckah.

 

[Barrister]

#### slapped?!?! Seriously?

When you post something unsubstantial, which you normally do, I have to find other avenues to distract me and put you in your place.

I've obviously done so, again, as you lashed out at me.

Calm down.

And you'll be on LOA 93 for quite a bit longer - COUNT ON IT!

Suckah.

When you finally check out as a Captain you will be flying me around.....no wait
I've already been to Newark.......never mind!!!

NICDOA
NPJB