Machinists Union Merger Update

[Docker]

"And Scope language is more important, you do NO heavy maintenance in-house while we do all the A320 family and 50% of the 737s."


I agree with 700. Don't expect much of an improvement if you are trying to negotiate a new one, and how long would that take, 2 years. We are now the largest Low Cost Carrier and the company will be trying to keep employee costs to the minimum. I'll stick with what we now have and hope for things to improve in a few years.... meanwhile trying to make this the best airline we can.

 

[Awa Contract]

If Teamsters negociate to bring you under the current contract as IAM intends to do with us you would be getting improvements to your pay, vacation, and sick time. Not to mention the improvements currently being negociated during contract talks, the contract is down to having only a few articles left to negociate. IAM members SHOULD sign cards if for no other reason than to have a chance to sit down with both sides amd make up thier own minds which group would be best for them. I am not calling for the IAM Mechanics to vote any way but what each individual feels would be most appropiate for him or her. What I contend is that they SHOULD SIGN a card so that they have the right to a choice. The IAM membership as lost enough and given enough that they deserve the right to have a choice, signing a card is the only way you protect your right to choose. Do not give up the right to choice with everything else. SIGN THE CARD then VOTE WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU.

Randy Klinckhardt

 

[700UW]

Ok if you negotiate to bring us under the current IBT contract PIT and CLT heavy maintenance will be shut down and the work vendored out and 1,000 mechanics laid-off, since IBT contract does not contain scope language to overhaul the airplanes and HP sends all their plans to Timco in Macon, GA and TACA in San Salvador.

Wow, real tough choice there, NOT!

Also how do you intend to bring up the the rest of the things you said you would get.

 

[Awa Contract]

Our contract is under negociation and that is one of the issues that would be revisited. If you are as full of facts as you say then you already are aware that we have not come to a agreement on that article yet. We were not happy about the turn of events that took place in 1995 for us but keep in mind that this was prior to Teamster's having any involvement in America West. So blaming them for that is completely incorrect. The current contract which is in process of being amended and did not deal with heavy checks as they were not here at the time. Teamster's have tried to have the company bring them back in several times but with this management we always have differences on unlicensed mechanics. We have managed to bring some of the work back in house, like the Structures, and Composites. We are currently working on the Audio-Visual Systems returning to us too. We do not support outsourcing in any way. But for many in this industry it is a fact - why else would Canada Air be putting so much of thier money into this merger.

But most important of all is that IAM Mechanics deserve the right to choose who they wish. That is the reason the need to SIGN CARDS. Then they need to vote how they feel is best for them after hearing and listening to BOTH SIDES. Not just your or my opinion.

Randy Klinckhardt

 

[700UW]

Well you dodged the issue.

If the you want to bring the current IAM M&R under the IBT contract it would shut down the PIT and CLT heavy maintenance base and cause 1,000 layoffs.

The company can drag your negotiations on for years while the mechanics hit the streets.

You don't support it, but you condone it by not securing the work in your scope language.

 

[makers mark]

:down:

Well you dodged the issue.

If the you want to bring the current IAM M&R under the IBT contract it would shut down the PIT and CLT heavy maintenance base and cause 1,000 layoffs.

The company can drag your negotiations on for years while the mechanics hit the streets.

You don't support it, but you condone it by not securing the work in your scope language.

[post="308275"][/post]​

Typical IAM scare tactics - the company must respect BOTH the AWA and US Air contracts until a contract is negotiated by the Teamsters to represent the whole group. The AWA scope language covers that existing work cannot be sub-contracted. Both workgroups are covered.

The Teamsters would have to literally bargaining away the language of both contracts behind your backs - that makes NO SENSE.

It is funny how, with 2000 mechanics on the street the IAM can tout their accomplishments.

It is time for a change- I advise ALL MECHANICS TO INSIST THAT THE TEAMSTERS HOLD MASS MEETING SO ALL QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED.

It is time for a change at US Airways. A big change.

 

[700UW]

I was replying to this and what gaurantee do you have that you will get scope language that contains overhaul as US does.

Scope language is job protection and the IBT has no scope language as ALL your heavy maintenance is performed by TIMCO and Foreigners in San Salvador.

If Teamsters negociate to bring you under the current contract as IAM intends to do with us you would be getting improvements to your pay, vacation, and sick time. Not to mention the improvements currently being negociated during contract talks
Randy Klinckhardt

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[makers mark]

I was replying to this and what gaurantee do you have that you will get scope language that contains overhaul as US does.

Scope language is job protection and the IBT has no scope language as ALL your heavy maintenance is performed by TIMCO and Foreigners in San Salvador.

[post="308305"][/post]​

Remember that the NON-UNION AWA FIRED 500 mechanics and subbed out heavy check in 1995. Then the union was voted in. These are the facts.

The story is clear jetblue and Delta, organize a union!

 

[NeedForSpeed]

I was replying to this and what gaurantee do you have that you will get scope language that contains overhaul as US does.

Scope language is job protection and the IBT has no scope language as ALL your heavy maintenance is performed by TIMCO and Foreigners in San Salvador.

[post="308305"][/post]​

You just keep repeating the same thing....OVER.....and OVER....and OVER....What AWA was saying earlier, and I agree with...sign the cards, hear BOTH sides, and let the MEMBERS decide for themselves.....Your contract, and scope are still in place....for now.....let the members decide if the IBT could better negotiate on their behalf, or if they want to keep the IAM. You said earlier....40 more planes gone soon....seems PIT, and/or CLT days are numbered as far as heavy maint is concerned......Seems your worried about the IBT coming aboard as you would lose your gravy train!!!

 

[700UW]

So in 10 years the IBT has not been succesful in gaining scope language securing heavy maintenance work.

And the airline industry is at its worst time in the past 50 years and do you think the IBT will secure heavy maintenance from your new VP of Labor Relations, Everett Al Hemenway?

You have to be kidding.

Those are facts, 10 years of IBT representation and no overhaul scope language.

 

[700UW]

seems PIT, and/or CLT days are numbered as far as heavy maint is concerned......Seems your worried about the IBT coming aboard as you would lose your gravy train!!!  

[post="308309"][/post]​

40 planes is not the whole fleet there are still airbus and 737s to be overhauled and once the NMB grants single carrier status and the IAM is certified, US will be forced to bring in-house all of HP's former A320 Family in-house as well as 50% of their 737s.

And if I was on a gravy train, why am I still working 40 hours a week at US?

Don't let the facts get in your way.

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[NeedForSpeed]

So in 10 years the IBT has not been succesful in gaining scope language securing heavy maintenance work.

And the airline industry is at its worse time in the past 50 years and do you think the IBT will secure heavy maintenance from your new VP of Labor Relations, Everett Al Hemenway?

You have to be kidding.

Those are facts, 10 years of IBT representation and no overhaul scope language.

[post="308310"][/post]​

700......Your quite correct......10 years, and no scope foe maint. from the IBT. My point is this....#1...let the MEMBERS decide who they want to represent them.....#2..What has hapenned in the last 10 years to US IAM and related.....#3....All I have heard for YEARS was "strength in numbers"...Now that you have 2,000 or so US maint/related + the 800-850 AWA= somwhere around 3,000+/-........why not let the members decide their fate????

 

[makers mark]

40 planes is not the whole fleet there are still airbus and 737s to be overhauled and once the NMB grants single carrier status and the IAM is certified, US will be forced to bring in-house all of HP's former A320 Family in-house as well as 50% of their 737s.

And if I as on a gravy train, why am I still working 40 hours a week at US?

Don't let the facts get in your way.

And I like the self-portrait of yourself, explains a lot.

[post="308311"][/post]​

No, Airways would not be forced to bring the work in house until a contract is negotiated. IAM is going to file for single carrier status ASAP to secure their membership without the possibility of a vote.

This process is confusing and worth asking more questions than making assertions.

 

[700UW]

The IAM does not have to negotiate a new contract after single carrier status is granted.

We have been through three mergers all ready and all you negotiate is a intergration agreement, the current IAM contract stays in effect.

Better go educate yourself on how it works.

 

[delldude]

If you are as full of facts as you say then you already are aware that we have not come to a agreement on that article yet.

do you have any idea why you haven't come to any agreement in these specified areas yet??
because of what you preach.....runoff and IBT wins out goes the heavy......IAM wins and now former AWA has a headache.....
why do you think its not settled?? duh ...duh....
you people on both sides best do your homework and figure out all possible scenarios before you find out how deep the water is.