Machinists Union Merger Update
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You are incorrect again. if the Teamster would win the vote the IAM contract would only be ineffect till the teams contract is done.700UW said:
the following is from IBT web site ( the one you said acknowledged it)
"Question 1: What contract will you work under? A contract negotiated by the Machinists, Teamsters or an amalgamated agreement (one bargained from both the Machinists and Teamsters agreements)?
Answer 1: There are a few possibilities.
If there is no election and the Machinists Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.
If there is an election and the Machinists is certified as your representative, you will still work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.
If there is an election and the Teamsters Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement only until such time as the Teamsters Union concludes bargaining a new agreement that seeks to improve on both the Machinists and Teamsters agreements"
Get the facts
Dear Sisters and Brothers,
Now that the merger with America West has been approved money from the investors will give us the ability to emerge from Bankruptcy with hope for the future.
Discussions will begin with the company in the very near future on a transition agreement and seniority integration. This process cannot be completed until the National Mediation Board (NMB) rules on the "Single Carrier Status"of the two carriers. Until then, the two Mechanic and Related contracts will remain in effect. Our Heavy Maintenance will remain in-house and theirs will continue to go to El Salvador.
We will keep you informed of these discussions once they begin.
In Solidarity
Frank Schifano
No dispute that U has a little overhaul left and HP outsources all, is it any wonder that people are disgusted with the mentality of the leadership of the IAM, could this letter be any more unprofessional. I especially like the theirs will continue to go to EL Savador part. And the IAM can't understand why it keeps loosing mechanics to rival unions.
Now that the merger with America West has been approved money from the investors will give us the ability to emerge from Bankruptcy with hope for the future.
Discussions will begin with the company in the very near future on a transition agreement and seniority integration. This process cannot be completed until the National Mediation Board (NMB) rules on the "Single Carrier Status"of the two carriers. Until then, the two Mechanic and Related contracts will remain in effect. Our Heavy Maintenance will remain in-house and theirs will continue to go to El Salvador.
We will keep you informed of these discussions once they begin.
In Solidarity
Frank Schifano
No dispute that U has a little overhaul left and HP outsources all, is it any wonder that people are disgusted with the mentality of the leadership of the IAM, could this letter be any more unprofessional. I especially like the theirs will continue to go to EL Savador part. And the IAM can't understand why it keeps loosing mechanics to rival unions.
Issues Pertaining to US Airways Aviation Maintenance Technicians
and Related Workers
By Don Treichler, Teamsters Airline Division Director
This letter sets forth the Teamsters Union’s position regarding the pending America West Airlines/US Airways merger and how it affects you as a US Airways Aviation Maintenance Technician (AMT). After the merger is signed and completed this fall, the National Mediation Board (NMB) is expected to determine that America West Airlines and US Airways are a single carrier.
What happens when the NMB declares a single carrier?
When a single carrier is declared and two or more unions each provide the NMB a sufficient showing of interest (35 percent or more of the eligible voters), the NMB orders an election between those unions to decide which union will be certified as your bargaining representative. Should 50 percent plus 1, or more, of the eligible voters vote for a union, the union receiving the plurality of votes will be certified by the NMB as the bargaining representative for your group.
We know there are many issues of significant importance to you. Several of these are covered below and we will address any others as they are communicated to us. Please send questions to [email protected].
Question 1: What contract will you work under? A contract negotiated by the Machinists, Teamsters or an amalgamated agreement (one bargained from both the Machinists and Teamsters agreements)?
Answer 1: There are a few possibilities.
If there is no election and the Machinists Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.
If there is an election and the Machinists is certified as your representative, you will still work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.
If there is an election and the Teamsters Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement only until such time as the Teamsters Union concludes bargaining a new agreement that seeks to improve on both the Machinists and Teamsters agreements.
Question 2: Why can’t the Machinists Union bargain a new agreement?
Answer 2: The Machinists signed the current bankruptcy-bargained US Airways agreement and is bound by that agreement.
Question 3: Why can the Teamsters Union bargain a new agreement?
Answer 3: The Teamsters Union is not a signatory to the current bankruptcy-bargained US Airways agreement and is free to enter into negotiations, make proposals and conclude a new agreement other than the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.
Question 4: What is the status of the current America West Airlines agreement?
Answer 4: Ever since the current AWA agreement became amendable in October 2003, America West and the Teamsters have been in direct negotiations. The negotiations have resulted in significant improvements throughout the agreement, which can be viewed by reading the signed tentative agreements posted on Teamsters Local 104’s web site. The remaining open articles are subject to continued negotiations between the parties. The Teamsters Union has made it clear to America West that there is no free ride and we expect improvements in the remaining open articles as well.
Question 5: What are the Teamsters’ objectives in bargaining a new agreement?
Answer 5: The Teamsters’ objectives are to preserve any remaining positive elements of the bankruptcy-bargained US Airways agreement and incorporate the superior areas of the new America West Airlines agreement currently being negotiated into a new agreement in order to improve your working conditions and benefits and improve your and your family’s quality of life.
Question 6: How do other Teamsters-negotiated agreements compare with agreements negotiated by the Machinists?
Answer 6: Teamsters agreements are superior across the board. Teamster agreements, such as those at United Parcel Service, Continental Airlines, AirTran Airways, Frontier Airlines are all better than Machinists agreements. They not only contain better wages and benefits, they contain superior scope (job security) language.
Question 7: Can the Teamsters force an election without signed representation cards from US Airways AMTs?
Answer 7: No, the Teamsters Union needs to collect signed representation cards that, in conjunction with its America West AMTs, constitute at least 35 percent of the total combined number of eligible voters. As of this date, many of these have been voluntarily mailed to us by current Machinists members who prefer to join the Teamsters.
Question 8: Does the Teamsters Union have the resources to properly represent you?
Answer 8: Yes, and the Teamsters Union is committed to applying those large resources to not only the negotiation of a superior agreement but also to the daily representation and communication that is required to successfully represent your best interests.
Question 9: What is the Teamsters Union’s position on outsourcing, subcontracting and heavy maintenance?
Answer 9: The Teamsters Union intends to retain all heavy maintenance performed in-house as of the signing and completion of the merger, and to bring as much outsourced heavy maintenance in-house as possible. The outsourcing of America West Airlines heavy maintenance took place in 1995, prior to the Teamsters organizing of the America West AMTs, and was in fact a major reason why the AMTs chose to organize with the Teamsters Union.
Question 10: Has the Teamsters Union dealt with bankruptcy situations?
Answer 10: Yes, and while these situations are always difficult, the Teamsters’ track record in this area is better than other organizations’.
Question 11: How would the Teamsters handle seniority integration?
Answer 11: A number of you asked what the IBT meant by seniority integration in accordance with Allegheny-Mohawk sections 3 and 13 and that this be accomplished in a fair and equitable manner. It is the IBT's view that integration should be accomplished in accordance with the original Allegheny-Mohawk concept. That concept provides for mechanic (AMT) date of hire integration with the proviso that no member will be furloughed because of the merger. That is what we plan to work for. Comments to the contrary are simply meant to be misleading.
Question 12: What advantages do the US Airways/America West Airlines AMTs have by forming a union with the Machinists?
Answer 12: None that we can see.
Question 13: What advantages do the US Airways/America West Airlines AMTs have by forming a union with the Teamsters?
Answer 13: There are several. First, the Teamsters will negotiate a new agreement to relieve you of the burden of being stranded under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement year after year until it eventually expires, which the Machinists cannot do. Second, the Teamsters’ superior financial strength enables us to represent you better than the Machinists can. Third, the Teamsters Union has a superior strike fund, should it ever become necessary to take that action. Fourth, the Teamsters Airline Division agreements are the best in the industry. And last but certainly not least, the Teamsters is unquestionably the most democratic union in the labor movement. As a Teamster member, you have a right to demand democracy, honesty, communication and freedom to express your views from your union, and if these items are missing from your current representative change is long overdue. These are but a few of the advantages of voting for Teamster representation.
Question 14: Which union can better represent the interests of you and your family?
Answer 14: The Teamsters Union is committed to establishing AMT standards superior to what you see today and superior to what the Machinists can offer you.
The Teamsters ask you to sign a Teamsters Representation Card to ensure there is an election with a choice between the Machinists Union and the Teamsters Union. In that election we ask you to vote in favor of the Teamsters. Voting in support of the Teamsters is in the best interest of you and your family. Sign a Teamsters Representation Card and help the Teamsters restore and improve your quality of life. You are highly skilled technicians and you deserve an agreement that recognizes and rewards your skills in a way that benefits you and your family.
Go to: www.teamsterslocal104.org under FORMS - you can print out Teamsters Union Authorization Card and mail it in.
It's your future, think about it.
and Related Workers
By Don Treichler, Teamsters Airline Division Director
This letter sets forth the Teamsters Union’s position regarding the pending America West Airlines/US Airways merger and how it affects you as a US Airways Aviation Maintenance Technician (AMT). After the merger is signed and completed this fall, the National Mediation Board (NMB) is expected to determine that America West Airlines and US Airways are a single carrier.
What happens when the NMB declares a single carrier?
When a single carrier is declared and two or more unions each provide the NMB a sufficient showing of interest (35 percent or more of the eligible voters), the NMB orders an election between those unions to decide which union will be certified as your bargaining representative. Should 50 percent plus 1, or more, of the eligible voters vote for a union, the union receiving the plurality of votes will be certified by the NMB as the bargaining representative for your group.
We know there are many issues of significant importance to you. Several of these are covered below and we will address any others as they are communicated to us. Please send questions to [email protected].
Question 1: What contract will you work under? A contract negotiated by the Machinists, Teamsters or an amalgamated agreement (one bargained from both the Machinists and Teamsters agreements)?
Answer 1: There are a few possibilities.
If there is no election and the Machinists Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.
If there is an election and the Machinists is certified as your representative, you will still work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.
If there is an election and the Teamsters Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement only until such time as the Teamsters Union concludes bargaining a new agreement that seeks to improve on both the Machinists and Teamsters agreements.
Question 2: Why can’t the Machinists Union bargain a new agreement?
Answer 2: The Machinists signed the current bankruptcy-bargained US Airways agreement and is bound by that agreement.
Question 3: Why can the Teamsters Union bargain a new agreement?
Answer 3: The Teamsters Union is not a signatory to the current bankruptcy-bargained US Airways agreement and is free to enter into negotiations, make proposals and conclude a new agreement other than the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.
Question 4: What is the status of the current America West Airlines agreement?
Answer 4: Ever since the current AWA agreement became amendable in October 2003, America West and the Teamsters have been in direct negotiations. The negotiations have resulted in significant improvements throughout the agreement, which can be viewed by reading the signed tentative agreements posted on Teamsters Local 104’s web site. The remaining open articles are subject to continued negotiations between the parties. The Teamsters Union has made it clear to America West that there is no free ride and we expect improvements in the remaining open articles as well.
Question 5: What are the Teamsters’ objectives in bargaining a new agreement?
Answer 5: The Teamsters’ objectives are to preserve any remaining positive elements of the bankruptcy-bargained US Airways agreement and incorporate the superior areas of the new America West Airlines agreement currently being negotiated into a new agreement in order to improve your working conditions and benefits and improve your and your family’s quality of life.
Question 6: How do other Teamsters-negotiated agreements compare with agreements negotiated by the Machinists?
Answer 6: Teamsters agreements are superior across the board. Teamster agreements, such as those at United Parcel Service, Continental Airlines, AirTran Airways, Frontier Airlines are all better than Machinists agreements. They not only contain better wages and benefits, they contain superior scope (job security) language.
Question 7: Can the Teamsters force an election without signed representation cards from US Airways AMTs?
Answer 7: No, the Teamsters Union needs to collect signed representation cards that, in conjunction with its America West AMTs, constitute at least 35 percent of the total combined number of eligible voters. As of this date, many of these have been voluntarily mailed to us by current Machinists members who prefer to join the Teamsters.
Question 8: Does the Teamsters Union have the resources to properly represent you?
Answer 8: Yes, and the Teamsters Union is committed to applying those large resources to not only the negotiation of a superior agreement but also to the daily representation and communication that is required to successfully represent your best interests.
Question 9: What is the Teamsters Union’s position on outsourcing, subcontracting and heavy maintenance?
Answer 9: The Teamsters Union intends to retain all heavy maintenance performed in-house as of the signing and completion of the merger, and to bring as much outsourced heavy maintenance in-house as possible. The outsourcing of America West Airlines heavy maintenance took place in 1995, prior to the Teamsters organizing of the America West AMTs, and was in fact a major reason why the AMTs chose to organize with the Teamsters Union.
Question 10: Has the Teamsters Union dealt with bankruptcy situations?
Answer 10: Yes, and while these situations are always difficult, the Teamsters’ track record in this area is better than other organizations’.
Question 11: How would the Teamsters handle seniority integration?
Answer 11: A number of you asked what the IBT meant by seniority integration in accordance with Allegheny-Mohawk sections 3 and 13 and that this be accomplished in a fair and equitable manner. It is the IBT's view that integration should be accomplished in accordance with the original Allegheny-Mohawk concept. That concept provides for mechanic (AMT) date of hire integration with the proviso that no member will be furloughed because of the merger. That is what we plan to work for. Comments to the contrary are simply meant to be misleading.
Question 12: What advantages do the US Airways/America West Airlines AMTs have by forming a union with the Machinists?
Answer 12: None that we can see.
Question 13: What advantages do the US Airways/America West Airlines AMTs have by forming a union with the Teamsters?
Answer 13: There are several. First, the Teamsters will negotiate a new agreement to relieve you of the burden of being stranded under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement year after year until it eventually expires, which the Machinists cannot do. Second, the Teamsters’ superior financial strength enables us to represent you better than the Machinists can. Third, the Teamsters Union has a superior strike fund, should it ever become necessary to take that action. Fourth, the Teamsters Airline Division agreements are the best in the industry. And last but certainly not least, the Teamsters is unquestionably the most democratic union in the labor movement. As a Teamster member, you have a right to demand democracy, honesty, communication and freedom to express your views from your union, and if these items are missing from your current representative change is long overdue. These are but a few of the advantages of voting for Teamster representation.
Question 14: Which union can better represent the interests of you and your family?
Answer 14: The Teamsters Union is committed to establishing AMT standards superior to what you see today and superior to what the Machinists can offer you.
The Teamsters ask you to sign a Teamsters Representation Card to ensure there is an election with a choice between the Machinists Union and the Teamsters Union. In that election we ask you to vote in favor of the Teamsters. Voting in support of the Teamsters is in the best interest of you and your family. Sign a Teamsters Representation Card and help the Teamsters restore and improve your quality of life. You are highly skilled technicians and you deserve an agreement that recognizes and rewards your skills in a way that benefits you and your family.
Go to: www.teamsterslocal104.org under FORMS - you can print out Teamsters Union Authorization Card and mail it in.
It's your future, think about it.
NeedForSpeed
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BRAVO!!!!!BRAVO!!!!!!! Even though it is very obvious that this is indeed swayed to a particular side......In over 17 years associatied with the IAM, I have NEVER seen the IAM write ANYTHING comparable to this....It is obvious that the Teamsters at least have people who can speak the english language, and present issues in a no BS manner!!!! This post is not meant to explain a vote for one VS the other, merely to state that it is obvious the Teamsters' have a much more educated group of individuals capable of handling a very tough situation.....
Well done, DesertRat!!
Well done, DesertRat!!
workingdad
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NeedForSpeed said:BRAVO!!!!!BRAVO!!!!!!! Even though it is very obvious that this is indeed swayed to a particular side......In over 17 years associatied with the IAM, I have NEVER seen the IAM write ANYTHING comparable to this....It is obvious that the Teamsters at least have people who can speak the english language, and present issues in a no BS manner!!!! This post is not meant to explain a vote for one VS the other, merely to state that it is obvious the Teamsters' have a much more educated group of individuals capable of handling a very tough situation.....
Well done, DesertRat!!
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Hey I do want the last word in here hehe.....USAirways should not contract all all the work for sure!!!!!!!! My wife has lost her job due to this after 21 yrs. of this bull. And also she is only 40 now and moving on.Thanks for taking the time to listen.
Sincerely,
Workingdad
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NeedForSpeed said:BRAVO!!!!!BRAVO!!!!!!! Even though it is very obvious that this is indeed swayed to a particular side......In over 17 years associatied with the IAM, I have NEVER seen the IAM write ANYTHING comparable to this....It is obvious that the Teamsters at least have people who can speak the english language, and present issues in a no BS manner!!!! This post is not meant to explain a vote for one VS the other, merely to state that it is obvious the Teamsters' have a much more educated group of individuals capable of handling a very tough situation.....
Well done, DesertRat!!
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After work for both Companys and unions I found that Frank Schifano only looks out for him self. The IBT overall are more professional.
Ramp Rogue
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700UW said:
Both of you can go to Hell for spouting out ball faced lies. US and PI got the short ends of the stick, and PS made out like bandits concerning seniority. Seniority should have been governed by the Allegheny-Mohawk procedures but it wasn't. It should have been DOH, but it wasn't. That is why we have the seniority mess on the ramp that we have today. We have four different seniority systems on the ramp as of today. Now that we've merged with HP, who knows how many different seniority systems they will be bringing to the game. It needs to be straightened out once and for all. Each ramp agent knows when they were hired, who was hired before them, and who was hired after them. DOH must prevail or there is going to be animosity and hatred on the ramp for years to come. Don't let iam141 screw us again. I wonder how the above union buffoons would like it if someone hired after them got to bid everything before they got to bid? :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
jetmech01890
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always protect the best interests of the membership.
this should read protect the best interests of me and my union buffoons
this should read protect the best interests of me and my union buffoons
Awa Contract
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Why would you want to stay IAM ? Teamsters have come out and posted on the Airline Division website that they are supporting date Mechanic Hire for seniority. Your will not loose seniority with them and you will get back some of the benefits and pay that the IAM gave away. Vacation, full sick pay, Holidays, and the present pay scale is more than you make now. Plus they are nearing the end of contract negociations that have improvements to work rules and are currently negociating pay and vacation for the future contract. Why stay with the IAM when they have you locked into the the current contract till 2009. Time for US Airways Mechanics to get some things back instead of always giving things away.
Randy Klinckhardt
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Randy,
Please explain to me how you would get back pay, vacation and holidays if not matter what union the group chooses the IAM contract will still remain in effect, even your IBT has said that.
And the IAM did not give it away, we have been through three rounds of concessions and two bankruptcies if you did not know that.
And Scope language is more important, you do NO heavy maintenance in-house while we do all the A320 family and 50% of the 737s.
Don't let the facts get in your way.
Please explain to me how you would get back pay, vacation and holidays if not matter what union the group chooses the IAM contract will still remain in effect, even your IBT has said that.
And the IAM did not give it away, we have been through three rounds of concessions and two bankruptcies if you did not know that.
And Scope language is more important, you do NO heavy maintenance in-house while we do all the A320 family and 50% of the 737s.
Don't let the facts get in your way.
