LUS/AA Below wing issues

[Kev3188]

Pure speculation on my part, but securing all existing points for Fleet at the current PMUS activity levels probably gets you 85-90% of the way to a ratified T/A...

 

[robbedagain]

agree WeAA  but I use til the end of next yr to see if we get an agreement    may be 6 months time WeAA you think we may have a deal to vote on or ratified by then?

 

[WeAAsles]

The big difference between the TWU/IAM and the pilots and f/a's is that they did not have to deal with an "association" first. They went with their respective larger unions. I am not saying five years either, but because of two unions disagreeing on what each wants to keep, it has the potential for being prolonged.

Plus the Pilots and FA's had those Arbitration agreements in place to force the process along. There will be a problem if the individual sides want to stand firm on keeping one thing over the other.

Unfortunately if that stone wall comes up there really is only one very simple solution to solve the problem.

Toss a coin. (And no I'm not kidding)

 

[WeAAsles]

agree WeAA  but I use til the end of next yr to see if we get an agreement    may be 6 months time WeAA you think we may have a deal to vote on or ratified by then?

I chose my Football pool box choice as November of this year. I'll admit that I think I may lose that pool bet though. I think AA really wants to get this thing done by the end of the year? 

If the process can stop being slowed down because members in each group have other commitments that their National office has assigned them to, maybe it will happen?

Meeting once a month I have to be honest about just doesn't cut it for me and I think the rank and file should start asking around to find out why that's happening? (I'll plead the 5th for the time being)

 

[WeAAsles]

Pure speculation on my part, but securing all existing points for Fleet at the current PMUS activity levels probably gets you 85-90% of the way to a ratified T/A...

Sounds about right. The bigger question will be what's the formula for restaffing going to be?

 

[AANOTOK]

I chose my Football pool box choice as November of this year. I'll admit that I think I may lose that pool bet though. I think AA really wants to get this thing done by the end of the year? 

If the process can stop being slowed down because members in each group have other commitments that their National office has assigned them to, maybe it will happen?

Meeting once a month I have to be honest about just doesn't cut it for me and I think the rank and file should start asking around to find out why that's happening? (I'll plead the 5th for the time being)

The ASS (both TWU and IAM) know the members are not happy about the lack of meetings between the two. That is why the apologetic lack of information flyers are periodically sent out. Just hang in there brother. Problem is, they don't give a rats ass that you have a concern. They just muddle along as they please. After all, they are "THE ASSOCIATION"

 

[MetalMover]

I very much doubt it will take too long for Fleet to get an agreement once they get in the room with the Company? Certainly not dragging out till the end of next year.  Maintenance on the other hand "may" have more difficulty?

Not being a part of fleet, I know there are similar issues we share. One thing I know for sure is that the lead or crew chief seniority thing is HUGE on both sides. I think the only way they resolve that issue is by following the rule depending where you work. If you are a lead or crew chief at a PMUS station you have lead seniority. If you are lead or crew chief at a PMAA station, you have your occupational. Personally I don't see too much movement on that. Other issues are no brainers...like more holidays at double time. But you are correct, maintenance does have more issues to deal with regarding tech crew chiefs and instructors. 

 

[Rogallo]

Not being a part of fleet, I know there are similar issues we share. One thing I know for sure is that the lead or crew chief seniority thing is HUGE on both sides. I think the only way they resolve that issue is by following the rule depending where you work. If you are a lead or crew chief at a PMUS station you have lead seniority. If you are lead or crew chief at a PMAA station, you have your occupational. Personally I don't see too much movement on that. Other issues are no brainers...like more holidays at double time. But you are correct, maintenance does have more issues to deal with regarding tech crew chiefs and instructors. 

 
That's idiotic! One rule for everyone. Is this not a union shop where everyone should be afforded equal opportunities?
 
DOH solves everything. It's the no brainer. 

 

[WeAAsles]

 
That's idiotic! One rule for everyone. Is this not a union shop where everyone should be afforded equal opportunities?
 
DOH solves everything. It's the no brainer. 

While I also like DOH (That's what I'm used to) the IAM side likes it the way they currently do it.

MetalMover actually has the right idea and it's the same thing I've been saying. They continue to do it there way in their stations and we do it our way in ours. In those stations that were designated to change over to the opposite Union going with the other sides way of doing things affects the least amount of people systemwide.

Hell before the merger I never even considered working in CLT, PHX or PHL anyway. (And I'm still not)

 

[WeAAsles]

The ASS (both TWU and IAM) know the members are not happy about the lack of meetings between the two. That is why the apologetic lack of information flyers are periodically sent out. Just hang in there brother. Problem is, they don't give a rats ass that you have a concern. They just muddle along as they please. After all, they are "THE ASSOCIATION"

You may want to call your President to ask why these meetings are being stretched out to the next month each time they meet?
 

In addition to the above groups, the reconciliation process also continued for the Material Logistics Specialists/Stores groups.
We ask for your patience as your Committee continues this complex task. We are committed to obtaining a joint agreement that recognizes the past sacrifices of TWU-IAM Association members, which has allowed American Airlines to post the largest profits in the carrier’s history.
The Mechanic and Related/Stores committee is scheduled to meet in Chicago for the week of September 28th through October 2nd.
 
- See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/#sthash.UQoeQoW3.dpuf

 

[Rogallo]

While I also like DOH (That's what I'm used to) the IAM side likes it the way they currently do it.

MetalMover actually has the right idea and it's the same thing I've been saying. They continue to do it there way in their stations and we do it our way in ours. In those stations that were designated to change over to the opposite Union going with the other sides way of doing things affects the least amount of people systemwide.

Hell before the merger I never even considered working in CLT, PHX or PHL anyway. (And I'm still not)

 
And there is the problem. Two different organizations trying to represent one group. Our way/Their way.
 
It's one airline now. Throw out the ours/theirs mentality and negotiate one deal for one airline. It's the only solution or they'll be fighting between us for eternity.
 
One Company, One Union, One Agreement.®  What a concept!!

 

[700UW]

It's called compromise.

Have you not learned anything from previous mergers, especially TWA?

 

[Rogallo]

It's called compromise.

Have you not learned anything from previous mergers, especially TWA?

 
I am forced to comprise now that I'm in an association?
 
You do realize that TWA was not a merger!

 

[Kev3188]

 
That's idiotic! One rule for everyone. Is this not a union shop where everyone should be afforded equal opportunities?
 
DOH solves everything. It's the no brainer. 

Short run it causes heartburn. Long run it's the easiest, and least open to interpretation...

 

[Rogallo]

Short run it causes heartburn. Long run it's the easiest, and least open to interpretation...

 
Exactly. What do we want. Short term relief or long term solutions?