LUS/AA Below wing issues

[WeAAsles]

Some of us have to work, and because I have complete focus, I'm all business when at work. But by all means, continue your rant, I find it very entertaining.

Still avoiding the question.

You will NEVER apply for management because you will NEVER risk losing the safety net that the Union and your contract provides for you.

Reality.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Just to remain on-topic, I see no underlying issues under the wing. It's funny that just a few members from the TWU are following this board. To answer your question weez,  I will continue to suckle off American's teats and exploit all the benefits of it offers all the while further exploiting the benefits of membership in the TWU, all without ever surrendering one ounce of support for a broken and outdated union model. Is this selfish, absolutely, and for good reasons. The general thinking from the FSC membership, and I draw this conclusion from the numbers voting on the 2012 contract, people are just not interested. To spend the time and effort to inform the membership of issues that concern only of the good as a whole and not individually has no appeal and it is proven from the results from the last vote, it may have passed, but the number of voters was dismal.     

 

[700UW]

SO you are a user, just become management, thats where your allegiances are.
 
Yep you are so knowledgeable in your 7 years with the company, NOT!

 

[robbedagain]

so you se no under the wing issues????  Do you want some examples for starters?     Lets start with the station mgr tossing bags into a cargo bin on one flight ( for which Ive gone to union about), or may be we shall watch as the station mgr and shift mgrs. throw bags down the jetway slide shuts,  or one of my fav.. we work the exp flights and mgmt. allows us to have the belt loader up the railing area of jetway for the carry ons  yet we aint allowed to have the bag tug with carts inside of the yellow lines     I could go on if you wish bob  but these are just some of the fine examples of the under the wing issues     Some others just to point out  some folks like to watch peeps work and never get into trouble    how about cutting short the heavy flights to put agents on commuters   again some of the issues that goes on and on and mgmt. does squat about    so if these are not issues for under the wing then I have no flippin clue what is  But plz explain your side bob

 

[topDawg]

Still avoiding the question.

You will NEVER apply for management because you will NEVER risk losing the safety net that the Union and your contract provides for you.

Reality.

I feel like Bob and WT would be best friends. 
 
neither can answer a question.... 

 

[IORFA]

We both have our embarrassments!

 

[bob@las-AA]

so you se no under the wing issues????  Do you want some examples for starters?     Lets start with the station mgr tossing bags into a cargo bin on one flight ( for which Ive gone to union about), or may be we shall watch as the station mgr and shift mgrs. throw bags down the jetway slide shuts,  or one of my fav.. we work the exp flights and mgmt. allows us to have the belt loader up the railing area of jetway for the carry ons  yet we aint allowed to have the bag tug with carts inside of the yellow lines     I could go on if you wish bob  but these are just some of the fine examples of the under the wing issues     Some others just to point out  some folks like to watch peeps work and never get into trouble    how about cutting short the heavy flights to put agents on commuters   again some of the issues that goes on and on and mgmt. does squat about    so if these are not issues for under the wing then I have no flippin clue what is  But plz explain your side bob

I have reviewed your laundry list of gripes, and in all sincerity it sounds trivial at best. Please try harder to come up with something better than what you have listed, I would be very surprised, better yet shocked if the TWU stepped in and intervened. You should grow a set, because if this was easy we would ask the girl scouts to do this for us. Nothing you put in this post warrants any action on any part.
 
And to answer your twitter style question, man up and do the job your paid to do and justify you paycheck because is not a welfare check, you have earn it!!
I make no apologies for the bluntness. 

 

[700UW]

Clueless again, you reviewed, who are you?
 
Your a joke.
 
You are a seven year man, I bet robbed has at least 15 or 20, and for the third time he isnt TWU he is IAM.
This is for you BOB:
 

 

[WeAAsles]

Just to remain on-topic, I see no underlying issues under the wing. It's funny that just a few members from the TWU are following this board. To answer your question weez,  I will continue to suckle off American's teats and exploit all the benefits of it offers all the while further exploiting "the benefits of membership in the TWU", all without ever surrendering one ounce of support for a broken and outdated union model. Is this selfish, absolutely, and for good reasons. The general thinking from the FSC membership, and I draw this conclusion from the numbers voting on the 2012 contract, people are just not interested. To spend the time and effort to inform the membership of issues that concern only of the good as a whole

My guess is that you don't really understand that how the whole votes (The majority, even if that turnout is small) affects YOU. Maybe that's something you need to consider to understand why some of us advocate to inform the membership of issues.


and not individually has no appeal and it is proven from the results from the last vote, it may have passed, but the number of voters was dismal.

(Why would you have expected a high vote count through the BK process that is only designed to strip things away from us? People like you who don't care about anyone but yourself never fight to get those laws changed so that's why you took it on the chin)   

What I don't understand about you Bob is this deep seeded hatred for Unions and yet private sector Union membership rates are down to a measly 6% of the working US population. So when you applied for a job your odds of not having to belong to a dreaded Union were at a 94% probability. But here you are, 7 years in working for an airline that has one? 

Bob you have had 7 years to make a change and yet so far you still haven't? Delta has almost no Unions you would need to concern yourself with if you enjoy the aviation industry and want to stay on with a major carrier. 

Of course at Delta you would have to hire in under the Ready Reserve system. Maybe 7 years in you would have been able to get out of it by now? Maybe? So what if you hadn't yet. I'd have to think you would be fine with making just $12.00 per hour (no benefits.) With 7 years here at AA under the TWU I guess you are on step 7 at $16.45 (With Benefits) I just have to wonder if maybe that's the reason you slog it out remaining under this horrible Union you have here?

Bob you seem like such an incredibly intelligent fellow. Why haven't you moved on to bigger and better things? Surely after 7 years you would have been able to get this bad Union taste out of your mouth by now? It boggles my mind trying to figure out why someone such as yourself is still with us?
 

 

[Kev3188]

I have reviewed your laundry list of gripes, and in all sincerity it sounds trivial at best.

That's how erosion of scope happens; it starts with little things, then when a company sees no resistance, an exception becomes the rule. Then they start in on work "nobody wants," like cabin cleaning.

Before you know it, you'll have Envoy helping work your flights (remember, you've already let non-contract employees handle some of the work, and called it "trivial."), deicing farmed out to a 3rd party, and so on...

When it comes to protecting your work, nothing is "trivial."
 
 

And to answer your twitter style question, man up and do the job your paid to do and justify you paycheck because is not a welfare check, you have earn it!!
I make no apologies for the bluntness.

What happens when the job he's paid to do goes to a vendor because people sat idly by and allowed it to happen? What happens when it's your job they come for?

 

[WeAAsles]

I feel like Bob and WT would be best friends. 
 
neither can answer a question.... 

Well he did say that he was considering a job with management.

How long has he been considering it already? 7 years?

If he's in DFW I know Kelly Moore (Ramp Manager) very well and could put in a call for him.

All he has to do is get up the cajones to make the move.

 

[robbedagain]

bob   that's just for starters   18 yrs and counting      and IAM since I started in 98.    nope not gripes at all   just the facts that mgmt. keeps doing our jobs and I keep on calling them out on it     they get pretty up tight and upset about it but I don't care bec I care about my peeps and preserving our scope   I know and realize you don't care but I do  

 

[bob@las-AA]

 

 
Are you US and what station do you work and how many clerks do you have?

 

[bob@las-AA]

Well he did say that he was considering a job with management.

How long has he been considering it already? 7 years?

If he's in DFW I know Kelly Moore (Ramp Manager) very well and could put in a call for him.

All he has to do is get up the cajones to make the move.

 
I enjoy this full-time supplemental easy money with no headaches and the most flexible fun position to give it up, you don't think I stupid, the hardest part if this job is the drive in.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
I enjoy this full-time supplemental easy money with no headaches and the most flexible fun position to give it up, you don't think I stupid, the hardest part if this job is the drive in.

You is no be stuped.

No problem. Just next time don't lie and say that you are considering putting in for management, when clearly you are not.