Industrial vs. Craft

[TWU informer]

I'm still questioning why (supposedly) the twu, with barely a whimper, is allowing this. I just can't see them giving away that kind of monthly dues income. They've made quite a bit of racket re: AMFA so far, but not the ibt.

Isn't our international worried that their tactics far too obvious? A 5 year old could see what's going on.

Sometimes, an adult living in fear that has been propagated by the master can appear less observant than a 5 year old, even though the adult has the ability to reason, that ability is blinded by the fear of change.

 

[Buck]

It's not my drive, I just signed a card & yes you can expect the same attitude regardless of what Union we have as previously discussed I'm not big on Unions but I do like making decent money.
The idea of putting my livelihood in the hands of people I don't trust never does sit well with me.

But it is your drive, if you are going to remain an employee here at American. It is my drive if I were to support them. This false hope of plying the Teamster when you will not step up to answer questions, is leading nowhere. Do the rest of the Teamster wannabes feel the same as yourself? The AMFA supporters have continually tried to replace the union on the property and asnwer questions or find answers, the Teamster organizers or card collectors seem to have no answers. You do realize that an informational meeting during the work week gives the employees even less time to be with their families, right?

 

[Raptorman49]

But it is your drive, if you are going to remain an employee here at American. It is my drive if I were to support them. This false hope of plying the Teamster when you will not step up to answer questions, is leading nowhere. Do the rest of the Teamster wannabes feel the same as yourself? The AMFA supporters have continually tried to replace the union on the property and asnwer questions or find answers, the Teamster organizers or card collectors seem to have no answers. You do realize that an informational meeting during the work week gives the employees even less time to be with their families, right?

I can't speak for anyone but myself Buck but I for one have no intention of answering anyone's questions whether I know the answer or not because I don't care if you sign a card or not, I'm sure there are some Teamster supporters who will try to answer your questions but if you really want answers go to the Informational meeting, the people there get PAID to answer your questions & they definitely do care if you sign a card.
There are many AMFA supporters who also do not want to answer questions or cannot & also don't care who signs a card.
Apathy is the word, I think I can direct you to someone who might be willing to answer your questions at the base but you will have to come in before 1pm because he leaves early, Dave said he was going to talk to him when he get's back from Vacation you can as well if you want.

BTW Buck you realize that with the Teamsters card drive are orchestrated by paid Organizers not volunteer Organizers, so if you have a complaint about when the Meeting is take it up with them at the meeting.

 

[Raptorman49]

I'm still questioning why (supposedly) the twu, with barely a whimper, is allowing this. I just can't see them giving away that kind of monthly dues income. They've made quite a bit of racket re: AMFA so far, but not the ibt.

Isn't our international worried that their tactics far too obvious? A 5 year old could see what's going on.

I have heard very little from any of the organizations about each other, I know here at Local 514 our current officers are very timid & are not looking to get into a fight with anyone (company, competing Unions, Members etc) so not likely your going to hear much from them, It would have to be the International if any fight were done & from what I have heard Jim Little doesn't really like AA Mechanics much & is willing to let us go wherever we want.
Don't look for a fight from the TWU, I think their fighting to keep Mechanics days are over .... just my opinion.

 

[riceweevil]

Is this why the Teamsters dues are 2.5 hours per month and why the Teamsters rasied the Dues Amount when representing SWA mechanics to 3 hours per month without a vote of the members?

If I was being compensated at the same rate as the AMT's at SWA I would GLADLY pay the IBT 3.0 hours per month of my wages.

 

[TWU informer]

Is this why the Teamsters dues are 2.5 hours per month and why the Teamsters rasied the Dues Amount when representing SWA mechanics to 3 hours per month without a vote of the members?

If I was being compensated at the same rate as the AMT's at SWA I would GLADLY pay the IBT 3.0 hours per month of my wages.

Without a vote?

 

[Buck]

Is this why the Teamsters dues are 2.5 hours per month and why the Teamsters rasied the Dues Amount when representing SWA mechanics to 3 hours per month without a vote of the members?

If I was being compensated at the same rate as the AMT's at SWA I would GLADLY pay the IBT 3.0 hours per month of my wages.

Why would the union representing a group require an increase when the wage increase is just that at 2.5?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Sounds like you have a whole lot of questions, you know where you can get the answers.
you never know the Paid Organizers/Employee's that are authorized to speak for the Teamsters might say something that you could use against them, you could always secretly record the meeting from your phone to use whatever they might say against them if your expecting them to lie.

I don't expect a large turnout because as I said many people don't care enough to allocate their free time to Union representation matters, you will find a lot more people at the TWU Big Splash event than going to an Informational meeting..... It is what it is.

The trouble is even the organizers lie. Then what do you do?

Just as an example, during the UAL campaign the ibt promised to open the contract early, and negotiate a double vesting pension outside of section 6 among other things, now never mind that that both were outrageous lies from the start, the ibt promised it to people that wanted to believe it. I have no doubt they will make similar promises to the AA mechanics. Here is the rub, as these are professional/paid organizers they disappear as soon as the drive is over, no accountability, no way to enforce these fantasies, and now you're stuck with the ibt.

caveat emptor

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Is this why the Teamsters dues are 2.5 hours per month and why the Teamsters rasied the Dues Amount when representing SWA mechanics to 3 hours per month without a vote of the members?

If I was being compensated at the same rate as the AMT's at SWA I would GLADLY pay the IBT 3.0 hours per month of my wages.

Well for all their supposed power and influence the ibt couldn't get us a contract at UAL with wages above that we had contractually over 10 years ago. SWA wages are more about SWA culture than ibt power.

 

[whoop whoop]

Is this why the Teamsters dues are 2.5 hours per month and why the Teamsters rasied the Dues Amount when representing SWA mechanics to 3 hours per month without a vote of the members?

If I was being compensated at the same rate as the AMT's at SWA I would GLADLY pay the IBT 3.0 hours per month of my wages.

The ibt raised their dues to 3x before the big raise in 03. Thanks to AMFA for raising the bar, by the way.

 

[amtcraig1]

A 'mechanics only" union is only a fantasy in the real world. The RLA and NMB determine what work groups are lumped together during a union representation election. No matter who wins the election they are going have licensed and non-licensed groups to represent.As much as I dislike the TWU there is no way that amfa has the money to fight a battle in C11 that cost MILLIONS OF DOLLARS per month in legal fees.The IBT is the only REAL UNION being offered to mechanics and related at AA and has more money,political clout,worldwide name recognition than either the TWU or amfa.
"GO IBT"

So no one flips out. I am not trying to hide by using different names. I am craig steiner a shop steward with AMFA local 14. I also uses the name brian on this forum. I think this person has hit the nail on the head. Now I will give the reason why I think that. With AMFA if you get termiated at your airline there is a process at the local to vote on its funding for arbitration. Now at this local they have voted not to fund an arbitration, and the member was given the choice. They fund it and we will fight it or _ well sorry. So do you really think they are going to fund this big of a legal battle. Now they will give you the choice.

 

[High Speed Steel]

So no one flips out. I am not trying to hide by using different names. I am craig steiner a shop steward with AMFA local 14. I also uses the name brian on this forum. I think this person has hit the nail on the head. Now I will give the reason why I think that. With AMFA if you get termiated at your airline there is a process at the local to vote on its funding for arbitration. Now at this local they have voted not to fund an arbitration, and the member was given the choice. They fund it and we will fight it or _ well sorry. So do you really think they are going to fund this big of a legal battle. Now they will give you the choice.

I call bullshet on this type of representation, our members within the TWU are entitled to their day in court if they so choose....Unbelievable, the ugly truths about the AMFA :blink:

 

[Raptorman49]

So no one flips out. I am not trying to hide by using different names. I am craig steiner a shop steward with AMFA local 14. I also uses the name brian on this forum. I think this person has hit the nail on the head. Now I will give the reason why I think that. With AMFA if you get termiated at your airline there is a process at the local to vote on its funding for arbitration. Now at this local they have voted not to fund an arbitration, and the member was given the choice. They fund it and we will fight it or _ well sorry. So do you really think they are going to fund this big of a legal battle. Now they will give you the choice.

Not sure if I understand what your saying but it sounds very interesting, can you clarify are you saying that AMFA members voted to not fund arbitration to save a Members job so he is going to be fired without representation ?

 

[Vortilon]

I think an AMT performs the same skills when doing a brake and tire change on a B757 whether it is operated by UPS or AA.
I would not even waste my energy on the informers questions as they resort to name calling instead of attempting to carry on any resemblence of respectful dialogue.

Yet another horsefly complaining about people being mean. What are you clowns? You guys sound more like your typical sniveling wimps from them waste of time and money Employee Resource Groups. Better yet, maybe you could start a new support group - "Victims of BB Bullies". I suspect another alias for raptortool.

 

[Vortilon]

So no one flips out. I am not trying to hide by using different names. I am craig steiner a shop steward with AMFA local 14. I also uses the name brian on this forum. I think this person has hit the nail on the head. Now I will give the reason why I think that. With AMFA if you get termiated at your airline there is a process at the local to vote on its funding for arbitration. Now at this local they have voted not to fund an arbitration, and the member was given the choice. They fund it and we will fight it or _ well sorry. So do you really think they are going to fund this big of a legal battle. Now they will give you the choice.

I'm sure there is your side of the story, and what the real story is.