IBEW update for the week of October 21

[JoeDirt]

Tim or anyone that might know the answer.

We all know there is a minimum % of cards that have to be signed before an election is called.

Does anyone know exactly what that number is?

Has a time limit been set also?

Will this effort be called off if a time limit is exceded?

Does the use of the signed cards expire?

I don't think I have ever seen these issues addressed here.

 

[Harry Callahan]

If I remember correctly their website says they will not seek election without 65%.

 

[orioleman]

Joe,
GOOD points and great analogy in previous post..



side note: alot ?? in clt about CIC griev. what happens to it.. I know the answer but thought I would bring it up again so folks new to the board

might get a better understanding .. Tim or perv seem to have better detail knowledge of that

 

[orioleman]

Dawg

THAT last post was awesome. and very informative.. and every point you make is right on cue


QUESTION for all the IAM loyalist out there .. HOW many NEW members has the IAM uptained in say the last 5 years.. (not counting new hires

in existing shops).. HOW many new groups of employees has the IAM got from NON UNION workforces.. just curious...

700 & Jimmy Neutron you guys seemed pretty versed in IAM knowledge .. HOW bout it. any numbers out there

 

[john john]

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=aflci...sp-f=ISO-8859-1
AFL-CIO
Is trying to reinvent it self







CHICAGO (CNN) - The Teamsters and the Service Employees International Union voted Monday to withdraw from the AFL-CIO.
The announcement came on the first day of the 50-year-old labor federation's annual meeting.
James Hoffa of the Teamsters and Andy Stern of SEIU told reporters they each notified AFL-CIO President John Sweeney on Monday morning in a letter after their executive boards unanimously agreed to disaffiliate.
"What John Sweeney has been doing has not been working and it's time to try something new," said Hoffa, general president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters.
He predicted to CNN that seven other international unions would soon bolt from the AFL-CIO and join the Teamsters.
"It is not done lightly. We have extended a number of propositions and ideas to the AFL-CIO to make sure that we could change the tide of the AFL-CIO.
Resolution on Teamsters Union Proposal to Restructure AFL-CIO


WHEREAS, the U.S. labor movement continues to decline in membership and strength, and
WHEREAS, we need to devote as many resources as we possibly can to reversing this decline through increasing the resources devoted to organizing and building bargaining and political power, and
WHEREAS, the Teamsters Union each year contributes more than $9 million in per capita taxes to the national AFL-CIO and its affiliated industry and sector departments, and
WHEREAS, the Teamsters Union believes that the AFL-CIO is spread too thin in its mission and functions and therefore is not as effective as it could be in utilizing its resources, and
WHEREAS, a debate has begun in the labor movement about the direction of the AFL-CIO in advance of the AFL-CIO Executive Council meeting in March 2005 and its convention in July 2005, and
WHEREAS, the Teamsters Union is one of the leading unions in the AFL-CIO and has a responsibility to present its proposals on how best to structure the AFL-CIO to gain maximum impact from the per capita taxes that are funded by our members’ dues, and
WHEREAS, the Teamsters Union has undergone its own restructuring so as to increase resources for organizing and get its financial house in order with positive results and will continue to do so,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE RESOLVED, that the Teamsters General Executive Board present a set of Teamsters proposals to restructure the AFL-CIO as a way to build labor unity and strength that include the following as contained in the discussion paper “Which Way for the AFL-CIO: The Teamster Viewâ€￾:
· Streamline the national AFL-CIO by eliminating those functions that are duplicated by the affiliates or which are more appropriately done by the affiliates.
· Reduce the effective per capita tax by half for those unions which allocate a minimum of 10% of their national union dues revenue to organizing, and devote rebated resources to organizing in core industries.
· Create incentives to accelerate the merger process in order to create economies of scale and free-up more resources for organizing.
· Reform AFL-CIO jurisdictional dispute mechanisms to establish area standards in key industries and sectors to inhibit unions from growing their unions by undercutting contract standards established by other unions.
· Streamline AFL-CIO state and local field operations and structures by eliminating bureaucratic duplication of effort and resources between central and state bodies and the national AFL-CIO.
· Cut the size of the AFL-CIO Executive Committee and give it real governing authority so that the largest AFL-CIO affiliates, not the AFL-CIO leadership alone, are able to have a real impact on policy.
· Develop a strategic political and organizing plan for “swing statesâ€￾ to increase union membership and political influence in order to produce a pro-labor White House and Congress in future elections.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that those proposals be presented by General President Hoffa to the AFL-CIO leadership and to all AFL-CIO affiliates and that the Teamsters Union work to win a majority of delegates to the upcoming AFL-CIO convention to adopt those proposals.

 

[robbedagain]

as far as the numbers for signing it is 50% plus 1 and if the IBEW wants 65% to call then i would think the numberr of actual cards is or would be about 5200 if that math is correct

 

[perserverance]

alot ?? in clt about CIC griev. what happens to it.. I know the answer but thought I would bring it up again so folks new to the board

The CIC would continue. The CIC is now a legal matter. The IAM in stating that, ''Thier the only union
able to go forward with the CIC'', is a half truth. They were the only ones able to go forward with it at
this time because they represent us and it was in our agreement. Once the CIC was filed, the IAM was the only one who could trade it away or ''flush'' it away. Now that the arbitraitor has heard the matter it has become a legal matter. A decision will be made for the workforce that it was filed for. We would still be entitled to a decision regardless of what happens. If the IBEW were to file for an election that would not affect the CIC. This CIC was filed due to an agreement made between the company and the workforce that has or had the IAM representing them. The suit involves an agreement by us with the company.This is a legal matter not an IAM matter now. Also, to let you know the IAM this week will file final briefs on the Sept. 13th, 14th hearing,then it is completely in the hands of the arbitraitor. The final briefs are basically a chance for the legal team to submit any other relevant sources they may have over looked and to summize thier stance.
Joe Dirt-
The West dues ?? The IBEW has told me the only way they could answer, what would happen to
them is ..1. The IBEW would not recieve them. 2. The employees in the WEST would have them returned.
3. The IAM could fight to recieve them or part of them, all dependent on
the IAM.
So Joe #1 is a definite the options left are #2 and #3. Thats' all the IBEW could tell me, was thier
stance not what the IAM may do.

Thanks

 

[redeye]

Dawg

THAT last post was awesome. and very informative.. and every point you make is right on cue
QUESTION for all the IAM loyalist out there .. HOW many NEW members has the IAM uptained in say the last 5 years.. (not counting new hires

in existing shops).. HOW many new groups of employees has the IAM got from NON UNION workforces.. just curious...

700 & Jimmy Neutron you guys seemed pretty versed in IAM knowledge .. HOW bout it. any numbers out there

oriolman,

Here are some stats I pulled from the DOL and the NMB
If it helps you question

08-22-06 US Airways/America West.....IAM...Stock Clerks........................FUI - single carrier confirmed
08-11-06 US Airways/America West.....IAM...Mechanics & Related.................FUI - determination of certification
07-24-06 Gulfstream Int'l....................IAM...Flight Attendants...................Certification
07-18-06 JetBlue Airways....................IAM...Fleet Service ......................Dismissal - ISI
07-06-06 Air Serv...............................IAM...Ramp Service, etc...................RLA Jurisdiction - confirmed
05-11-06 US Airways/America West......IAM...Fleet Service.......................FUI - determination of certification
04-18-06 US Airways/America West......IAM...Maintenance Training Specialists....FUI determination of certification
01-30-06 US Airways /AWest Airlines....IAM...Mechanics & Related/Fleet Service...FUI - Single Carrier confirmed
01-26-06 Saudi Arabian Airlines...........IAM...Customer Service....................WDI - dismissal
08-05-05 Saudi Arabian Airlines...........IAM...Dispatchers.........................Certifica
ion
10-06-04 Aircraft Service Int'l..............IAM...Fleet Service.......................Dismissal - ISI
10-06-04 Aircraft Service Int'l..............IAM...Mechanics & Related.................Dismissal - ISI
08-26-04 Ogden Services..............IAM...San Francisco Operations............RLA Jurisdiction - confirmed
08-11-04 Horizon Air Industries......IAM...Crew Schedulers.....................WDI - dismissal
08-05-04 McNeil Security.............IAM...Screeners...........................WDI - dismissal
04-01-04 US Airways..................IAM...Buyers..............................FUI - dismissal
05-19-04 ExpressJet Airlines.........IAM...Flight Attendants...................WDI - dismissal
03-25-04 ATA Airlines................IAM...Stock & Stores......................Certification
10-31-03 Wisconsin Central...........IAM...Machinists..........................Certificat
on
10-09-03 CN-Wisconsin Central........IAM...Machinist/Mechanics.................WDI - dismissal
08-23-04 Firstline Transportation Security.Security Screeners..................WDI - dismissal
07-01-03 Signature Flt. Support......IAM...Commercial Aviation Employees.......RLA Jurisdiction confirmed
06-20-03 ITS Aviation Services.......IAM...Screeners...........................Dismissal
03-06-03 Atlantic Coast Airlines.....IAM...Fleet & Passenger...................Dismissal
01-22-03 US Airways..................IAM...In-flight Training Specialists......Dismissal
12-20-02 United Airlines.............IAM...Planners & Controllers..............FUI - dismissal
12-20-02 United Parcel Service.......IAM...Editors & Manual Specialists........MFR granted; relief denied
12-02-02 US Airways..................IAM...In-flight Training Specialists......MFR - relief denied
11-01-02 US Airways..................IAM...In-flight Training Specialists......FUI - proper craft or class
07-25-02 Pan Am......................IAM...Mechanics & Related.................Dismissal
06-27-02 Piedmont Airlines...........IAM...Inventory Control/Auditors..........Dismissal
06-18-02 United Airlines.............IAM...Creative Production Specialist......WDI - dismissal
06-18-02 United Airlines.............IAM...Performance Technical Specialists...WDI - dismissal
05-07-02 Vanguard Airlines...........IAM...Flight Attendants...................Dismissal
03-12-02 Iberia Airlines of Spain....IAM...Dispatchers.........................Certification
12-19-01 National Airlines...........IAM...Fleet Service.......................Dismissal
12-19-01 Central Oregon & Pacific RR.IAM...Train & Engine......................Dismissal
12-14-01 National Airlines...........IAM...Fleet Service.......................Elig. Appeal denied
11-01-01 Iberia Airlines of Spain....IAM...Mechanics & Related.................Certification


Apr 02, 2002...LM-2...2001 Report...MEMBERSHIP...722,987
Mar 29, 2007...LM-2...2006 Report...MEMBERSHIP...646,933
Membership is down 76,054 over the past five years


Membership info.:
http://erds.dol-esa.gov/query/orgReport.do

NMB Determinations:
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/decmenu.html

 

[Labor Dawg]

The IBEW has said from the beginning that they would not file if they thought they could not secure the win. This is because they will not jeopardize this already beaten down group. the numbers are high for two reasons. One: they want to see if the group is as interested in them as the IBEW is in the group! Two: They don't not want there to be some stupid mistake that could decert. I personally think that they are being very responsible to our group! Finally we have someone that really cares about us not someone else. Good luck guys we really need a change but the IBEW is saying that the ball is on our court. That is why you must sign a card, so you have a say in your future!

 

[JoeDirt]

.
Joe Dirt-
The West dues ?? The IBEW has told me the only way they could answer, what would happen to
them is ..1. The IBEW would not recieve them. 2. The employees in the WEST would have them returned.
3. The IAM could fight to recieve them or part of them, all dependent on
the IAM.
So Joe #1 is a definite the options left are #2 and #3. Thats' all the IBEW could tell me, was thier
stance not what the IAM may do.

Thanks perserverance for checking into this. It was something I was curious about.

 

[JoeDirt]

Tim or anyone that might know the answer.

We all know there is a minimum % of cards that have to be signed before an election is called.

Does anyone know exactly what that number is?

Has a time limit been set also?

Will this effort be called off if a time limit is exceded?

Does the use of the signed cards expire?

I don't think I have ever seen these issues addressed here.

Thanks Coach........These are all from the IBEW perspective. I didn't make that too clear. Sorry.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim or anyone that might know the answer.

We all know there is a minimum % of cards that have to be signed before an election is called.

Does anyone know exactly what that number is?

Has a time limit been set also?

Will this effort be called off if a time limit is exceded?

Does the use of the signed cards expire?

I don't think I have ever seen these issues addressed here.

Joe,
I can't imagine that there is a time limit on this organizing drive. The IBEW is a professional organization and I'm sure they recognize the few thousand cards they have now is an incredible amount given the AFLCIO constraints and lack of total support. I mean, in this organizing drive, the special forces are taking care of business without the covering of the air force and navy. So it's going to take some time to secure the necessary support without the air force softening the positions that the IAM has hardened. Of course, the IBEW is fully supporting the special forces with the flight tickets, hotel stays, meeting rooms, etc. These special forces are taking bullets to secure the interest but they believe in this so their doing it. Nonetheless, once the interest is secured, the heavy artillary, navy, marines, air force will come in and pound any remaining IAM positions. The IBEW will then pay the AFLCIO fines and petition for an election. In essance that's why Canale hasn't gotten his letter. The special forces main job is to secure the situation by building a committee in each locale. The CLT Meeting is to give out information and build and work with the locals there in eventually making CLT an IBEW stronghold.

Most organizing drives just continue indefinately. I did hear that the IAM wants the IBEW out of the way 'quick' because the IAM wanted something to come down the pipe again but knew it would piss everyone off enough to get a few thousand more IBEW cards signed up overnight. For this reason, Canale been working the phones calling the IBEW office to no avail. Remember, about one month ago, Canale told his boys to put out the word that an IBEW letter was coming out. No letter exists. Now Canale watered it down since his lie was found out and told his reno stooges that he has a verbal from the IBEW that they will not recognize any signed cards. This is also a lie. In fact everytime Canale's lips are moving, he's lying. You and everyone else knows this but people still want to believe lies.

Regarding your analogy about chess. I don't think that metaphor really works in this case since it really has nothing to do with a game. But in sticking with the metaphor you suggested I will add the following. To win a game, you got to be a player and in 13 years, the IAM hasn't called your name [insert fleet service here] one time. Fleet's not even a player. But if the game is chess and we keep on losing the game then we must do something different to succeed to have 'equal chances' otherwise we would keep having our a$$ handed to us. To that end, that's why fleet has kept getting its a$$ handed to it, because it hasn't changed anything. Further, if you play a game of chess without the queen on the board then unless you are playing someone ignorant, you will lose. Unfortunately, you aren't playing someone ignorant as Hemmingway is a sharp fella that should be taken seriously, but with the IAM, you are playing without the queen on the table, and they shout out to hemmingway every move they are gonna make. If the opponent knows your moves then consider it game over and the best move is to resign. My hope is that fleet hasn't resigned but instead learns to play the game.

At any rate, Joe, we know eachother and I know you're solid with all this, but we need CLT on board. I'd like to think we have time, and I think time will 'root out' the IAM's hand it was wanting to play. I'll be posting some info on the COC grievance on the IBEW committee website later on. Also, I'll be posting a flyer on the IAM pension also. Any other questions that you think I should work on then email me.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

I heard PIT got stuck with Mark Wingard as their new AGC. This guy lost his local chairmanship there but now Canale stuck him back at PIT.

regards,

 

[JoeDirt]

Thanks Tim
I didn't like using the word game because a game this is not. The stakes are way too high. I just couldn't think of another word that applied. Maybe I should have said "match" but that don't actually apply either.

As far as I can tell a lot of the people are waiting for the meeting Thur. to decide what they should do. No one is taking this lightly. After that CLT's direction should be plain.

 

[zone2]

Tim,
Just left work in PHL today. I hope there isnt a time frame for the cards. It takes time. PIT guys in phl are so scared to sign. Serveral PHL guys had huge arguments with PIT guys about what has the IAM done for you??? They are shutting down PIT and they still wont sign. Im tired or hearing about that JUNK pension they are going to lose. I have another question. If the IAM is in bed with the Co. and both sides will submit there finally paperwork on the COC whos to say that the IAM wont fight hard for us on the COC and not submit a fighting battle for the COC an we lose.