IAM update on NMB decision

[700UW]

So it is ok for the ibt to organize scabs?

 

[Awa Contract]

Scab union organizing scabs - no suprises there - Nice to know the IAM never changes

 

[700UW]

Let see the IAM is not organizing the scabs at NWA.

And you beloved ibt did it against the IAM at boeing in the 1950s as you all ready know as I posted all the information before, the ibt has organized scab mechanics at CO and the scab FAs in Canada.

Kinda convenient how you neglect to post that information, the ibt has been organizing scabs for years.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[robbedagain]

but crossing the line to do maintaince related jobs at NWA does constitute being a scab just as hiring scabs to do f/a jobs at a canadian airliner. yes or no?

 

[700UW]

The ESE CBA at NW provides the scope language to do ancillary duties.

 

[Dog Wonder]

The ESE CBA at NW provides the scope language to do ancillary duties.

Please quit the union bashing.

 

[smmech]

Can you not understand?

Pilots at HP and US are both in ALPA, FAs at HP and US are both in AFA.

Use the thought process to interpert what I posted.
Name calling again? Was your trip to the cornfield not enlightening?

There is no Official IAM Drive at NWA.

From someone at Northwest who is an IAM member and knows what is going on:
And what is wrong, don't like the fact that your ibt organized scabs to break the IAM at Boeing and failed?

Don't like that fact the ibt organized scabs at CO?

Don't like the fact the ibt organized scab FAs at the airline in Canada?

Brown, when are you gonna learn not to make everyone of your posts about me instead of sticking to the topic at hand?

Maybe after you post a responce to a fact..

 

[awausairtech]

There is no official IAM organzing drive at NW. The CBA is not amendable for three more years.

And you forget the ibt tried to organize scabs at boeing against the IAM back in the mid 1900's, the organized scab mechanics at CO and scab flight attendants in Canada.

NOW 700UW YOU CAN BACK THE TRUCK UP.
THE IAM RAN OUT ON THE CO MECHANICS.
Here IS A E-MAIL FROM A MAN WHO WAS AT CO AT THE TIME YOUR IAM RAN OUT AND WAS AT THE UNION MEETING THEY DID IT AT!!!

A former member of the IAM and EXCELLENT Union man:

When I hired in with Continental in 1969 the IAM was the Union on the property, in fact the IAM was the preeminent Union in the industry at that time and was the representative on the majority of the carriers. Our contract expired in 1978 and we entered negotiations. 1978 was also the year deregulation of the airline industry took effect. Soon after deregulation went into effect Frank Lorenzo, who was CEO of Texas International began buying Continental stock and eventually gained control of 51% of the stock at which time he ousted Bob Six the founder. Needless to say things changed at Continental. Lorenzo was/is a ruthless business man and could not care less for his employees. After 5 years of negotiations, in August of 1983 we,the Mechanics and related went on strike against Continental. Lorenzo immediately began hiring replacement workers. Those of us that remained on strike continued our picket lines until April of 1985. In April of 1985 a meeting was held in the TWU Union hall in LAX and senior representatives of the IAM made an announcement that the IAM was no longer representing us and that we should seek our jobs back the best way we could if we wanted to go back to Continental. They immediately ran out the back door into a waiting limousine and escaped while we were all in shock. I finally swallowed my pride and went back to work in June of 1985.

People need to know the IAM walked away from us.

We, the ones that had suffered and been united and

strong were left hung out to dry by our Union. We had

people that lost everything because of that strike. They

lost their homes, their families a few even committed

suicide. Is it any wonder I have no respect for the IAM.

Some time in the mid 1900's, I believe it was 1996 AMFA made an attempt to organize us. Most of us, even though we wanted a Union back on the property, realized AMFA was a very weak imitation of one and could not help us in our present situation. In 1997 - 1998 we enlisted the help of the Teamsters and were successful in winning the election in June of 1998. We successfully negotiated the first contract and it went into effect in1999.

So bottom line did the Teamsters organize scabs at Continental. The answer is both yes and no. Yes because there are still a few scabs remaining on the property, although most have left for one reason or another. No because we were no longer on strike and were non-Union. Remember the IAM had declared the strike was over and no longer represented us in 1985. So there is a tremendous difference between the Teamsters organizing us and what the IAM is attempting on Northwest.

Jim

700uw get your FACTS RIGHT!! :cop: :censored:

 

[700UW]

Ah once again you don't post all the facts.

The judge wiped out all unions at CO when Lorenzo asked, every union was decertified and every contract was thrown out, the judge made them employees at will and no dues money was being paid and no union was allowed to represent the employees.

Your ibt scabs:

Boeing Machinists Strike, 1948
HistoryLink.org Essay 2283

On April 22, 1948, the Aeronautical Machinists Union, IAM District Lodge 751, struck the Boeing Company. William Allen was then president of Boeing. For the Machinists the issues were preserving longstanding seniority rules that the company wanted to scrap, and achieving a 10 cent per hour raise for all categories of labor. The strike was characterized by the unusual occurrence of another union, Dave Beck's Teamsters, collaborating with the company to defeat the machinists union. On September 13, 1948, the Machinists returned to work without a victory, but in the subsequent NLRB-supervised election they soundly defeated the Teamsters.

New Era, New Manager

On September 5, 1945, William Allen, a longtime attorney at the Boeing Company, assumed the presidency of the aircraft company. Almost immediately, massive postwar layoffs began. Allen brought a different labor relations philosophy to the company -- as Boeing employees would find out before the new decade began.

1947 Contract Negotiations

When contract negotiations began in January 1947, it became clear that the Boeing Company wanted to turn back the clock on seniority provisions that had been negotiated as far back as 1937. For example, the company wanted 10 percent of the bargaining unit to be exempt from seniority; it wanted blanket disqualification of women from open jobs if, in the Boeing Company's opinion, the job required a man; and it wanted the elimination of plant-wide seniority. The Machinists' union wanted to protect seniority and to attain a 10 cents per hour raise for all labor grades.

Formal negotiations opened on March 16, 1947, with the 1946 contract "in full force and effect." By April, the Machinists' Union accused the Boeing Company of not negotiating in good faith and filed strike notice (a 30 day cooling off period was required.)

On May 10, 1947, the union held a General Membership Meeting to discuss the situation. On May 24, 1947, the union rejected the Boeing Company's final offer and authorized a strike. From June to December 1947, the company and the union negotiated only sporadically.

Boeing Revises Its Proposal

The Boeing Company submitted a revised proposal on January 6, 1948 and negotiations were intensive for about 90 days. At mid-March 15, the Machinists' Union offered to submit unresolved articles to arbitration. The Boeing Company demanded the right of veto in the choice of arbiters and demanded to submit the entire contract to arbitration. The Machinists' Union refused those conditions. On March 26, 1948, under provisions of the new Taft-Hartley law, the NLRB (National Labor Relations Board) held an election to determine if the union was authorized to negotiate a union shop. The vote was a resounding 12,000 YES to 800 NO.

April Deadlines Set

On April 13, 1948, the Machinists' Union established April 16 as the deadline for choice of arbiters. The Boeing Company refused to budge. So, on April 20, the Machinists' Union District Council and 320 shop stewards voted to strike at 12.30 a.m., April 22, 1948. The Machinists' Union District Council met again on April 21 to review the circumstances. One report tells of some of the reaction:

"Grand Lodge Representative Cotton addressed this meeting and cautioned the members as to possible consequences of such strike action, reminding them of their weak strategic position, and informing them that the advice of the Grand Lodge (the national union) was to stay on the job. However, emotions were running high and he was booed from the platform."

At the prescribed time on April 22, 1948, the Machinists' Union members laid down their tools and struck the Boeing Company. By April 28, the national union, International Association of Machinists, granted strike sanction.

Dave Beck's Not-So-Friendly Intervention - Local 451 Formed

On May 28, 1948, Dave Beck, president of Joint Council 28 of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, announced that Teamsters would seek jurisdiction at the Boeing Company. At this time, the IAM was not affiliated with the American Federation of Labor (AFL), having disaffiliated in 1945 over the failure of the AFL to settle a jurisdictional dispute between the IAM and the United Brotherhood of Carpenters.

Beck's raid was intended to capture all of Machinists' Union 751 membership. He organized Aeronautical Workers and Warehousemen Helpers Union Local 451. He opened a hiring hall to recruit strike breakers for Boeing. In the words of Sam Bassett, an attorney on the Teamsters' staff during 1948 (and a founder of the oldest labor law firm in Seattle), "I am sure that Mr. Allen will not deny that he came to Dave Beck's office and requested him to assist in breaking the strike of the Aero Mechanics' Union."

Beck and Boeing recruited strikebreakers and scabs through most of the 1948 strike period. (Note: The term strikebreaker is used to mean a person newly hired during a strike; a scab is an employee who crosses a picket line set up by co-workers.)

NLRB Acts

In June 1948, the National Labor Relations Board requested District Court to grant an injunction requiring the Boeing Company to bargain. The court refused. By late July, it was becoming difficult for the Machinists' Union to remain on strike. The Boeing Company refused to bargain. The Boeing Company, with Beck and the Teamsters, was recruiting strikebreakers and some members are becoming scabs. On July 20, the NLRB ordered the Boeing Company "to cease and desist from refusing to bargain with Lodge 751" and to reinstate "all employees who went on strike on April 22, 1948, without prejudice."

In August, William Allen and the Boeing Company announced their intention both to ignore the NLRB and to carry the case to the U.S. Supreme Court. The Boeing Company defied the NLRB until September.

Machinists End Strike

On September 13, 1948, Machinists' Union members went back to work for the following reasons:


They were concerned about the Teamsters Local 451.

the cost of the strike had gone over $2 million.

About a third of the original 14,000 members had defected.

The Boeing Company continued to refuse to bargain.

The Boeing Company and Beck and the Teamsters continued to recruit strikers.

The provisions of the new Taft-Hartley Act made the strike more difficult to win.
The Boeing Company took the workers back because it was accruing a large financial burden with a fine of $172,000 per day from the NLRB reinstatement order, and, probably, most importantly, high military authorities wanted no further delay in production of the B50 because of Cold War pressures.

This set the stage for the NLRB election between Machinists' Union District Lodge 751, International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 451, and the Taft-Hartley required "No Union." The International Association of Machinists, District Lodge 751's national union, was outside the AFL and had been since 1945. In the minds of other AFL affiliates that made IAM local unions the same as renegade unions and so-called fair game for raiding. Though some AFL and CIO unions supported District Lodge 751, the powerful Seattle Central Labor Council threw its support behind William Allan's "labor statesman" Dave Beck and Local 451.

The NLRB set the election for November 1, 1949. Despite the help of AFL president William Green, Beck's Teamsters lost that election. District Lodge 751 received 8,107 votes; the Teamsters Local 451 received 4,127 votes, and the Taft-Hartley "No union" received a mere 401 votes.

Your beloved ibt has a history of being scabs and raiding the IAM.

 

[robbedagain]

yeah then the IAM outsourced the fleet at about 30 cities in USAIRWAYS' system under old mgmt and with a judge. I know those words are coming---the members ratified the contract---boohhoooo the ones in the hubs ratified the stinkin a** deal knowing full well they wouldnt be the affected ones and even had 2 cities--PVD and BDL added to class one cities to get it thru.. it is a nowonder fleet has no respect for the IAM which by the way raisied the dues.

that was an excellent post there awausairtech.

 

[brown]

Ah once again you don't post all the facts.

The judge wiped out all unions at CO when Lorenzo asked, every union was decertified and every contract was thrown out, the judge made them employees at will and no dues money was being paid and no union was allowed to represent the employees.

Your ibt scabs:
Your beloved ibt has a history of being scabs and raiding the IAM.

You got way to much time on your hands. Once again you run away from the questions at hand. Let's try one simple question even a parts clerk can answer. Ready?
Are the NWA rampers (while walking past striking mechanics) doing pushbacks at nwa? Simple yes or no!!! Let's see how much you can spin this.

 

[700UW]

I am getting tired of the same old song "Cry Me a River"

Don't let the facts get in your way, the IAM had no choice in the matter, the judge abrogated the contract, the company gave the union a final offer and your fellow fleet service brothers and sisters did not have the gonads to reject it and strike the company.

And you know over 2,000 Mechanic and Related lost thier jobs due to the aborgation and the final offer, yet I only see fleet service on here whining and complaining about it and not even taking the time to educate yourself on what really happened. But I guess it is easier for you to blame the IAM then the company and your coworkers.

Simplay amazing.

 

[awausairtech]

Ah once again you don't post all the facts.

The judge wiped out all unions at CO when Lorenzo asked, every union was decertified and every contract was thrown out, the judge made them employees at will and no dues money was being paid and no union was allowed to represent the employees.

Your ibt scabs:
Your beloved ibt has a history of being scabs and raiding the IAM.

JUST HOW LONG DID YOU WANT OUR UNION BROTHERS TO WAIT FOR REPRESENTATION????
THE IAM RAN OUT IN 1985!!!
THE IBT WAS VOTED IN IN 1997-98???
AMFA AT NORTHWEST WENT OUT LESS THAN A YEAR AGO AND STILL HAVE UNION MEMBERS WITH STRIKE SIGNS ON THE PICKET WITH THE IAM HANDING OUT CARDS TO SCABS. :down:

GO INTO THE LIGHT 700UW, GO TO THE LIGHT AND OPEN YOUR EYES ALL WILL BE WELL!

HAVE A NICE IBT DAY!

 

[700UW]

The IAM is not organizing at NWA, how many times does that have to be explained to you? Even a NWA poster on this board has stated that.

The IAM represented the mechanics throughout the bankruptcy case, even though they were not the legal certified representatives of the mechanics.

Open your own eyes and educate yourself, something you seem can't to do.

 

[awausairtech]

700UW TRY TO GET UP TO DATE. 1945, 1948, 1949, 1947, 1937, TRY TO GET IN OUR TIME FRAME AT LEAST GET IN THE 80's AND UP FOR GODS SAKE.
I CAN GIVE A RATS A$$ ABOUT HORSE AND BUGGY DAYS!