5. Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?
A: Yes. Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.
And the IAM has stated since, it will be yes for the association, no for no union and the type in or speak in option, no one has ever said anything different.
View Post700UW, on 30 August 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:
I talked to the man that wrote the alliance for the IAM, they are going to have the NMB run the election. And other will be speak in.
Also the certification will be transferred from the IAM and TWU to the alliance, only the NMB can do that.
OK 700, here it is yet again. Only this time I sent e-mail in order to have it in writing from the NMB to post for ALL to see. The only items left out of the e-mails between Don West and myself are my name and the Q and A from the TWU/IAM alliance web site. You know if I were any of you guys at US or AA I would no longer trust what they are telling you guys. Get involved yourselves and e-mail the NMB for your answers, DO NOT trust what the union that is trying to force it's members into this so called "Alliance". Now 700, take particular attention to the very first para where he answers rather the NMB will be handling the election or not, as I told you before, and you now have it from the NMB, and I quote; "the NMB has no jurisdiction over the alliance or merger of unions and DOES NOT CONDUCT SUCH ELECTIONS."
Here's the emails, starting with Don West answering my e-mail, happy reading:-
RE your Question: My main issue with this "Alliance" vote is, who will run it?
Just how a union chooses to represent its members is an internal-union matter, not under the jurisdiction of the National Mediation Board. The NMB has no jurisdiction over the alliance or merger of unions and does not conduct such elections.
RE your Question: Another question; How long does the NMB normally take when a union files an appeal to protest against the one year limitation term of filing again at a carrier where another union has pulled out of a representational election? Just curious to a possible time frame of the outcome.
I'm not sure I understand this question, but if you are talking about a Representation case, it seems you may be asking about Time limits on applications. If so, you may want to see Section 1206.4 of NMB Rules at http://www.nmb.gov/d...brules1099.html
RE your Question: Question #5 is the way they are now saying they will ask for the NMB to run the election:
We cannot address hypothetical applications. Applications actually received by the NMB for the Investigation of Representation Disputes are handled on a case-by-case basis.
My original e-mail below:
Don West,
As we have been discussing about the TWU and IAM combining, yes some things have changed on their side since we last spoke. My main issue with this "Alliance" vote is, who will run it? And what options will the mechanic and related have to choose from, and what results would be obtained from voting on each option?
We are being told that the NMB will run the election. We are also being told that there will only be 2 options on the ballot for this "Alliance" vote; 1- Yes, for the Association and 2- No which would be a vote for no-union or non-union. Then after I informed them that I was contacting the NMB to get answers we were told that there would be a third option of "other", with no explanation of what "other" meant. I suggested to them that the "other" option (with the NMB running the election) generally means "write-in" or "speak-in" option where the one could "write-in" or "speak-in" any choice of union they wish. It took constant pressure and inquiries but they finally admitted (after 2 weeks) that the "other" option does mean a "speak-in" option. Here is what I suggested the options would be with the NMB running such an election: 1- Yes, for the Alliance (Association) 2- No, against the Alliance (Association) 3- "Write-in" or "speak-in" 4- No union or Non-union. Then we were all told that this is a different type of an election than a regular card collection and vote for representation, therefore the options I listed above will not be the same. Mr. West can you please indicate what will happen? And what the options will be? And this is even if the NMB will run the election. As we have spoke before, you mentioned that the NMB wouldn't conduct an election unless you were asked to by the unions, well as #5 Q&A states below, both associations will be filing with the NMB to conduct the election. If this is all true, would you be so kind to provide the options on the ballots that the members will receive for this type of an election?
Another question; How long does the NMB normally take when a union files an appeal to protest against the one year limitation term of filing again at a carrier where another union has pulled out of a representational election? Just curious to a possible time frame of the outcome.
Again Mr. West thanks so much for time and patients with me. It seems a lot of my previous information has changed due to the IAM/TWU Alliance has changed some of their information after some of us have proven them wrong. I just cannot see 2 unions coming together with a vote that forces you to vote for the Alliance or vote No and be non-union. It sounds to me like the members actually don't have a choice.
Here is the TWU and IAM Q&A. Question #5 is the way they are now saying they will ask for the NMB to run the election:
Sincerely, Very concerned mechanic
Attached was the Q&A from the TWU/IAM alliance web page. Did not want to bore you with that as we all know what it says.
Again guys, PER THE NMB, they will not conduct such an election for the new alliance, combination or merger of the TWU and IAM. You guys are soon to be screwed by your own union as they (unions) will control what options are on the ballots as it will be handled internally. You guys better hope AMFA gets another chance and put a stop to this ridiculous controlling unions.
