IAM Stepping Up campaign

[737823]

Just what the FAs want, they want to talk to a retired non-rev, while they are busy working their flights.

Yea ok.

I too talk to F/As they generally enjoy our conversations. It's amazing the amount of goodwill one receives for purchasing a $5 box of chocolates on a longhaul flight. Even among seemingly surly and bitter crews it can go a long way. In my experience on US carriers employees are generally more hospitable and willing to engage with non-revs than revenue passengers. So given that DL F/As are always nice to me I imagine they treat WT quite well.

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

again, all feeble attempts by the union crowd to try to discredit someone who doesn't think just like them.

the evidence which you cannot refute is that there are 25,000 less union members today than there were on the date NW was "merged" by DL.

I'm still waiting for the number of union wins were involved in that devastating loss to labor.

can one of you labor wizz kids tell us what other companies have eliminated as many union positions as DL has done?

don't forget to go back and count all of those other mergers.

let's be real accurate, though.

THE EMPLOYEES of their own choosing dumped the unions.

did I miss the answer of how many other union votes in the airline industry have taken place in the time that we have been reading that the unions would vote in a union again at DL?

yes, Josh, instead of rushing thru the service to go hide in the galleys with the curtains drawn or in the underfloor crew rest facility, DL FAs deliver great service and interact with all customers.

How many times have we read even on this forum that DL FAs treat other airline employees better than they are treated on their own airline?

 

[700UW]

...And I'm sure they love it when you just pop in for a chat.

Or are you merely eavesdropping?

He is probably stall watching.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and that suggestion could only come from someone who engages in it.

you are sick.

 

[700UW]

THE EMPLOYEES of their own choosing dumped the unions.

did I miss the answer of how many other union votes in the airline industry have taken place in the time that we have been reading that the unions would vote in a union again at DL?

And I guess you ignore DL held captive audience meetings, one on one meeting, web pages, flyers, information send to their homes, and robocalls to thwart the campaign.
 
And spent millions with Ford and Harrison and other union busting companies.
 
Most airlines are heavily unionized already.

 

[WeAAsles]

which is why there are galleys on aircraft and FAs do talk....

somehow I am supposed to believe that active employees only to each other.

most DL people I talk to are fascinated to hear what I have done since I left DL.

it's conversations... not a poll.

Anyone who is interested in a Union knows that even talking about it to the wrong person could be a death knell to their career. If you really believe everyone you come into contact with in life is being honest with you then you are quite naive.

Honestly.
 

it's called autocorrect. every time I try to spell it the way he uses it, the computer kicks in.

for the most part, I have given up.

choosing a user name that is a misspelled English word will do that.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I honestly am very unemotional about things. That's my strength. 
 


I will say that I am enjoying weAAsles on this forum... once we got past the first few days and established how we would work together.

apparently someone over on the AA forum that thinks the DL forum is dead needs to come have a look!


DL people don't trust union sales people. that is absolutely verifiable based on election results....

People shouldn't trust anyone except those they love who ave never disappointing them. Otherwise they should make the most informed and educated decision they can for their lives.

you do know we have a winner take all system right?

Yes that's called America.

 

[Kev3188]

I too talk to F/As they generally enjoy our conversations. It's amazing the amount of goodwill one receives for purchasing a $5 box of chocolates on a longhaul flight.

Being grateful and accepting a gift is wholly different from someone appearing in your confined workspace & trying to start a conversation.
 
 

the evidence which you cannot refute is that there are 25,000 less union members today than there were on the date NW was "merged" by DL.

Has anyone tried? I don't see any evidence of attempts at revisionist history from the pro worker crowd here.

I'm still waiting for the number of union wins were involved in that devastating loss to labor.

You mean an answer that you already know, right?

 

[700UW]

and that suggestion could only come from someone who engages in it.

you are sick.

I heard you worked for Congressman Larry Craig.
 

 

[Kev3188]

And I guess you ignore DL held captive audience meetings, one on one meeting, web pages, flyers, information send to their homes, and robocalls to thwart the campaign.

Don't forget the omnipresent pop up- you know, the one employees couldn't ignore if they wanted to actually do their job...

And spent millions with Ford and Harrison and other union busting companies.

How great would it be if they would've just invested in their own employees instead of people like Peter List?

 

[WorldTraveler]

And I guess you ignore DL held captive audience meetings, one on one meeting, web pages, flyers, information send to their homes, and robocalls to thwart the campaign.
 
And spent millions with Ford and Harrison and other union busting companies.
 
Most airlines are heavily unionized already.

and that is the right DL has.

the Courts have supported it.

still doesn't change that the employees get to vote and sign cards and the company can't stop them.

if the vote was really there, the unions would be seated - but they are not.
 
 

Being grateful and accepting a gift is wholly different from someone appearing in your confined workspace & trying to start a conversation.
 
 

Has anyone tried? I don't see any evidence of attempts at revisionist history from the pro worker crowd here.


You mean an answer that you already know, right?

kinda like that inability to admit the reality that we see over on the AA forum?

at least the difference is that you don't launch into denials and deflections.

we don't agree on some things but you are the most credible person the labor movement has on this board.



glad you don't get bent out of shape about the spelling of your name, weAAsles. from this point on, know that there is nothing personal about the way your name is spelled.


700 is more than sick.

isn't there an 800 number for mental health issues that someone can give him?

and it shows once again the very low quality of people that exist in the labor movement and why the vast majority of DL people aren't about to stoop to that level, no matter what kind of financial incentives are involved.

 

[WeAAsles]

and that is the right DL has.

the Courts have supported it.

still doesn't change that the employees get to vote and sign cards and the company can't stop them.

if the vote was really there, the unions would be seated - but they are not.
 
 

kinda like that inability to admit the reality that we see over on the AA forum?

at least the difference is that you don't launch into denials and deflections.

we don't agree on some things but you are the most credible person the labor movement has on this board.



glad you don't get bent out of shape about the spelling of your name, weAAsles. from this point on, know that there is nothing personal about the way your name is spelled.

Just as much as you didn't get slightly emotional when I posted your extremely admirable video I suspect? My guess is your threats towards me were theater for the readers?

P.S. My ex wife was Brazillian from Novo Hamburgo near Porto Allegre. Caracol Falls in Serra Gaucha was simply stunning.

 

[WorldTraveler]

the past is the past; let's build on the commonalities that exist now and rationally debate the differences.

the board could certainly use it.

 

[737823]

Being grateful and accepting a gift is wholly different from someone appearing in your confined workspace & trying to start a conversation.
 

 
Indeed. But I do engage with DL employees of whom the overwhelming majority are friendly, professional, and take pride in their airline and service.  Now again-DL is not a world class Asian carrier like Cathay or Singapore, but I find their people are genuinely caring, provide a thorough and efficient service.  That said, there are reports of many of the DTW-Asia flights having corners cut for in-flight service but all the DL international flights I have taken from ATL, BOS, and JFK in BE have been generally good.  
 
I ask DL employees both ACS and F/As about how they like being unorganized and the vast majority seem to like it.  I occasionally run into a PM-NW employee who wants the old ways back but I am on a first name basis with the SkyClub staff at my local airport and they are very friendly to me, and most of them I know are against the unions including the PM-NW employees.  In fact, one of them told me when I asked recently how much better things have gotten at DL and how they were skeptical going without representation. The F/As I talk to with Flying D pins feel the same way. Don't engage much with F/As who have IAM pins but to their credit I haven't found their service to be deficient in anyway, they get the job done with a smile.  
 
Josh

 

[737823]

isn't there an 800 number for mental health issues that someone can give him?

 
Not 800 numbers, but I don't think long distance phone calls are too much of an imposition for most people these days. 
 
I realize 141 (in his own words) is "Not my [his] district, was a member of 141 years ago before the split" but this is a resource he can consult:
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/56294-novdec-2013-fleet-service-discussion/?p=1049032
 
http://www.iam141.org/eap/
 
Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

the past is the past; let's build on the commonalities that exist now and rationally debate the differences.

the board could certainly use it.

I will tell you that I prefer articulate conversation that favors honesty over deliberate deception or hostile debate that is only meant to win over a particular argument over actual reality or facts.

I also don't like when particular items are either ignored or glossed over for the continuation of something that can only end in being a futile waste of my time.

You have completely ignored or glossed over many items that have been presented to you by myself and others that at least to me show an obvious ambition to win over your point of view at whatever cost that may be.