IAM Stepping Up campaign

[WorldTraveler]

Until a JCBA is negotiated, the same thing happened at US when HP laidoff pilots they could have went to the East.
 
The FAs didnt lose their pay, vacation or benefits.
 
Can you say that when DL closed DFW, MCO, MEM, CVG and any other base?

yes, DL employees were protected in other stations in a process that was no different than what other legacy airlines have offered with the exception that displaced DL employees were generally not allowed to bump other employees out of a location/job that was not impacted.

we've been thru that discussion before. some call it "just the way the union does it" but DL people have repeatedly said they are not interested in having a system where they can be displaced from a stable job/location because someone else's city is not providing the economic basis for remaining staffed as it is.

Even on here some users can't help but use trigger words like "minority" or "small disgruntled group." For the most part-and certainly in the case of the F/A's- the results speak to different dynamic.

We can hold to the strict covenants of majority/minority if you want, but in reality, the lines are much closer to the center (and blurred).

if a majority is good enough to elect a president (even with a non-popular vote), why shouldn't be stick to the concept of a majority when discussing representation elections?

I may have missed it, but did you post what workgroups of the 8 or 9 that voted as part of the merger, chose union representation?

seems like crushing defeat is entirely accurate considering how many unions were removed and the tens of thousands of union dues members that were lost.

YMMV

BTW, been to a soccer game this week? makes the world run a whole lot better.

 

[WeAAsles]

World Traveler Have you ever traveled to India? I hear it's a wonderful destination in the summertime.

KOLKATA, India (AP) — A Bengal tiger snatched a man off a fishing boat in eastern India, dragging him away into a mangrove swamp as his children looked on in horror, the man's son said Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/tiger-leaps-onto-boat-snatches-man-east-india-090431380.html

 

[700UW]

737823, on 25 Jun 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

700 what is your connection to DL?

WT is a DL retiree, has worked for DL and has specifically worked in ACS. Furthermore I imagine in his vast DL travels he engages in discussions with F/As much like I do and have friends working as F/As at numerous carriers.

I'm a DL customer who enjoys the service DL ACS and F/As provide. I can say the since the 2010 decertification many of the union NW people have lightened up but some remain bitter. I like DL because they are non-union much like I try and patronize non-union establishments whenever feasible.

Josh

What is your connection to DL?
 
Why are you posting here?
 
What is your connection to the IAM?
 
What is your connection to the TWU?
 
What is your connection to US?
 
What is your connection to AA?
 
Yet you constantly attack US,  and the IAM.
 
He doesnt work for Delta, he collects a frozen retirement check and has flight benefits.
 
He worked his last eight years in revenue management, not ACS nor has he ever been a FA.
 
Once again you make it about the poster and not the topic.
 
The topic is DL ACS and FAs want to be in a union, they went to the IAM and started a grassroots campaign to be organized and have a Collective Bargaining Agreement.
 
And by the way why does Richard Anderson and the other executives have employment contracts?
 
Why are they spending millions so the employees who make the profits for Delta cant have an employment contract?

 

[WorldTraveler]

looks like someone doesn't have the self-control to send themselves to the cornfield for trying to exclude others from the conversation or elevate their importance in it to the exclusion of others.

Kev is going to have take you out to the woodshed and have a serious talk.

maybe he can get thru since you haven't heard anything else from anyone else before.

he also tries to spout all kinds of information which isn't even correct... but if it makes him feel more important, we'll just let it slide.

you can't rehabilitate _____....

 

[Kev3188]

Conditioned by whom?

You tell us.

I think on my own and formulate my own opinions and conclusions.

Of course you do.


 
 

if a majority is good enough to elect a president (even with a non-popular vote), why shouldn't be stick to the concept of a majority when discussing representation elections?

No one said it didn't. At the same time...

seems like crushing defeat is entirely accurate considering how many unions were removed and the tens of thousands of union dues members that were lost.

...calling a split of just a few hundred votes out of tens of 1000's "crushing" is at best disingenuous.

But, hey, whatever fits the narrative, right?

BTW, been to a soccer game this week? makes the world run a whole lot better.

Yes.

 

[Kev3188]

looks like someone doesn't have the self-control to send themselves to the cornfield for trying to exclude others from the conversation or elevate their importance in it to the exclusion of others.

Stop, no, and don't.

If you aren't willing to do it yourself, then don't call others out for it- it just makes you look like a child.

Still waiting for someone to join me. Anyone?

 

[700UW]

looks like someone doesn't have the self-control to send themselves to the cornfield for trying to exclude others from the conversation or elevate their importance in it to the exclusion of others.

Kev is going to have take you out to the woodshed and have a serious talk.

maybe he can get thru since you haven't heard anything else from anyone else before.

he also tries to spout all kinds of information which isn't even correct... but if it makes him feel more important, we'll just let it slide.

you can't rehabilitate _____....

Get a life, really?
 
Attack the poster, you spew more runny fecal mater of the mouth then the rest of the board combined.
 
I can reply to a poster to made a post to me, if you dont like it, then ignore it or move on.

 

[WorldTraveler]

when have I told someone that they couldn't participate but I could?

not once.

I have said that I would MUTUALLY leave the discussion to someone else.

I have yet to see evidence from anyone that they would shut up and allow someone else to talk on the subject.


you can look at the number of votes that separated wins and losses but the percentage difference is a whole lot smaller than what took place in recent presidential votes in the US.

and yet the President was elected and is the President of the entire US - all of the people.

there is no "we were just a little pregnant" or "we almost won"

the unions lost every election, isn't that right, Kev? or did I miss one or two someplace?

 

[700UW]

You have posted numerous times that I shouldnt post and let the DL employees decide.
 
Do you have dementia, early onset Alzheimer's or just being dishonest once again?
 
And actually the US citizens do not vote for the President, they vote for the electors of the President which is the Electoral College, did you miss that day in History Class?

 

[Kev3188]

I have yet to see evidence from anyone that they would shut up and allow someone else to talk on the subject.

Nor has anyone seen it from you.

 

[WorldTraveler]

then your eyes clearly aren't wide open after all.

I have REPEATEDLY said that I would be happy to stay out of the representation discussion and leave it to active DL employees IF others who are also not active DL employees would do the same.

Repeatedly, I step back and others come charging right back in... usually led by 700.

I know full well that you want to bring as many union talking heads on here as you can because there aren't enough DL employees who will join you.

and that is precisely the point.

this isn't a DL employee led campaign.

in fact, it is. It is predominantly ONE DL employee supported by all kinds of non-DL employees.

the notion that there is a groundswell of DL employee support for this unionization campaign is just not there.

perhaps in the twilight zone, but not here.


you forgot to answer the question if you have been to a soccer game this week.

it is an open question. anyone can jump in.

 

[700UW]

It is a Delta Employee led campaign, its a grassroots effort, DL FAs and ACS approached the IAM.
 
The FAs getting cards signed are DL employees, not paid organizers, same goes for ACS.
 
Go figure, you are spewing misinformation once again and being dishonest.

 

[Kev3188]

I have REPEATEDLY said that I would be happy to stay out of the representation discussion and leave it to active DL employees IF others who are also not active DL employees would do the same.

...And you have been REPEATEDLY told that no one is calling for exclusion. It's the whole "I'm more relevant than you" nonsense that needs to go, and in that sense, you are as guilty as anyone here, if not more so.

Why you refuse to separate the two concepts is beyond me...

in fact, it is. It is predominantly ONE DL employee supported by all kinds of non-DL employees.

This thread-and this site- =/= the campaign itself.

the notion that there is a groundswell of DL employee support for this unionization campaign is just not there.

That sentence doesn't reflect reality.

you forgot to answer the question if you have been to a soccer game this week.

Sure I did. Maybe you should start actually reading posts...


 
 

It is a Delta Employee led campaign, its a grassroots effort, DL FAs and ACS approached the IAM.
 
The FAs getting cards signed are DL employees, not paid organizers, same goes for ACS.

Truth.

 

[WeAAsles]

...And you have been REPEATEDLY told that no one is calling for exclusion. It's the whole "I'm more relevant than you" nonsense that needs to go, and in that sense, you are as guilty as anyone here, if not more so.

Why you refuse to separate the two concepts is beyond me...





This thread-and this site- =/= the campaign itself.


That sentence doesn't reflect reality.

Curious how WT claims to know what DL employees want if he is retired and not hearing from people on a regular basis?

I don't work for DL and would not be so pretentious to make this claim. But YOU do and have that right and pulse.





Sure I did. Maybe you should start actually reading posts...


 
 

Truth.

 

[WorldTraveler]

...And you have been REPEATEDLY told that no one is calling for exclusion. It's the whole "I'm more relevant than you" nonsense that needs to go, and in that sense, you are as guilty as anyone here, if not more so.

Why you refuse to separate the two concepts is beyond me...

no,
there are indeed people that have said that some people should not participate because they aren't active employees but the labor movement can.

if you can't see it, I can't help you.

weasel just highlighted one of them for you.

I agree that the "I'm more relevant than you nonsense" has to go.

why can't you see that it is 700 who repeatedly does it. he just did it within the last couple pages.

again, if you can't see it, then I can't help you.

and it is also apparent why you see a different reality than others.

 

This thread-and this site- =/= the campaign itself.


That sentence doesn't reflect reality.

ok... so it is a microcosm of reality in which HOW MANY of DL's 60K active non-union employees participate?
 

Sure I did. Maybe you should start actually reading posts...

indeed I missed it since I was at a game. Hope it was fun and you do it often.


 

Truth.

the truth is that there aren't enough employees who have signed cards to bring an election, right?

and there is no concrete evidence that there is an increase in new cards being signed to offset the number of cards that are expiring, right?

if you have evidence to the contrary, by all means show us.

I'm more than willing to change my tune based on facts.