IAM Stepping Up campaign
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No they dont need every last dues payer to survive, the IAM is financially healthy, unlike the IBT and TWU.
And if you're Grandmother had testicles she would be you're Grandfather.
The old rules were outdated, not union election or any election in the US counted people who didnt vote as a NO.
And DL spent millions fighting it and got the card level raised to 50% instead of 35% to file for an election so dont come off as the rule change was all pro-union.
And once again CO/UA has their own board, this is Delta Air Lines and the IAM campaign.
Go call Gerry and F&H to see what other garbage to throw out.
Still waiting for the proof that OD is behind the campaign and how the 84 year old OD is Bluto as you claimed.
Man up joshie.
And if you're Grandmother had testicles she would be you're Grandfather.
The old rules were outdated, not union election or any election in the US counted people who didnt vote as a NO.
And DL spent millions fighting it and got the card level raised to 50% instead of 35% to file for an election so dont come off as the rule change was all pro-union.
And once again CO/UA has their own board, this is Delta Air Lines and the IAM campaign.
Go call Gerry and F&H to see what other garbage to throw out.
Still waiting for the proof that OD is behind the campaign and how the 84 year old OD is Bluto as you claimed.
Man up joshie.
The UA agreement will not help in this case. "Industry Leading"??????
Greed killed us in this case, and most of us on the sCO side did not gain much.
If what you say is true that DL presently has more ramps and cargo (with actual benifitted DL employees - not DGS) then showcasing our contract isn't helping the cause for unionization at DL.
The only way here would be a fighting chance is:
1. AA/US has to win an actual concession free contract with tangible gains.
2. The reformers must win from top to bottom. Fresh ideas and techniques will help.
I have to live with crap for the next couple of years just tryin to survive.
Just my two cents........
Greed killed us in this case, and most of us on the sCO side did not gain much.
If what you say is true that DL presently has more ramps and cargo (with actual benifitted DL employees - not DGS) then showcasing our contract isn't helping the cause for unionization at DL.
The only way here would be a fighting chance is:
1. AA/US has to win an actual concession free contract with tangible gains.
2. The reformers must win from top to bottom. Fresh ideas and techniques will help.
I have to live with crap for the next couple of years just tryin to survive.
Just my two cents........
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outstanding, T5.
It doesn't matter what happened in the past but what is happening now.
PMDL's 777s and 767s are also the predominant aircraft that are being/have been used to grow DL's presence in the Pacific - but ALL DL employees benefit nonetheless.
What is happening NOW is that DL's competitors even with unions are having to cut chops and are not delivering the revenue benefits that DL is doing - to the benefit of DL employees, regardless of the city where they work.
Given that the economics of the AA/US merger will require that there will be a significant reduction in headcount in order for AA/US to be staffed similar to DL and UA and WN for that matter or else grow dramatically (and that is the whole basis of why AA is trying like crazy to find places to successfully add new flights), the chances are slim to none that AA/US can avoid massive layoffs.
The reason why DL/NW worked as well as it did WRT staffing is because they merged soon after BK when cuts were still fresh and before the "halo" of BK began to wear off.
The same doesn't exist for any of the other megamergers post 9/11 which is why the staffing part of what DL did coupled with the growth that DL has done is an exception that is not going to be repeated.
Thus, the ability to match what DL did with its employees - rapidly grow the company while allowing the employees to share in DL's success - cannot be duplicated.
DL employees will look for a long time at their peers and realize that DL mgmt.'s timing and execution of DL's strategic plans is the biggest reason for employee success - and a union can't improve on what DL is already doing in terms of increased total compensation and growth of the company.
It doesn't matter what happened in the past but what is happening now.
PMDL's 777s and 767s are also the predominant aircraft that are being/have been used to grow DL's presence in the Pacific - but ALL DL employees benefit nonetheless.
What is happening NOW is that DL's competitors even with unions are having to cut chops and are not delivering the revenue benefits that DL is doing - to the benefit of DL employees, regardless of the city where they work.
Given that the economics of the AA/US merger will require that there will be a significant reduction in headcount in order for AA/US to be staffed similar to DL and UA and WN for that matter or else grow dramatically (and that is the whole basis of why AA is trying like crazy to find places to successfully add new flights), the chances are slim to none that AA/US can avoid massive layoffs.
The reason why DL/NW worked as well as it did WRT staffing is because they merged soon after BK when cuts were still fresh and before the "halo" of BK began to wear off.
The same doesn't exist for any of the other megamergers post 9/11 which is why the staffing part of what DL did coupled with the growth that DL has done is an exception that is not going to be repeated.
Thus, the ability to match what DL did with its employees - rapidly grow the company while allowing the employees to share in DL's success - cannot be duplicated.
DL employees will look for a long time at their peers and realize that DL mgmt.'s timing and execution of DL's strategic plans is the biggest reason for employee success - and a union can't improve on what DL is already doing in terms of increased total compensation and growth of the company.
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Yep. Terrible agreement. Already covered here, and over the course of 60+ pages on the UA board. Definitely makes the work for us at DL that much more interesting.737823 said:
You continue to harp on that not realizing you're throwing the baby out with the bath water.
No doubt. See above.T5towbar said:
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Does this mean you've come around? Only took how many pages?WorldTraveler said:
Kev,
Just wondering as much as you don't like being an unorganized DL employee would you sooner work under the terms of the UA agreement? Just curious on your perspective. Ask yourself this: would your station have SCOPE under that agreement?
Thanks.
Josh
Just wondering as much as you don't like being an unorganized DL employee would you sooner work under the terms of the UA agreement? Just curious on your perspective. Ask yourself this: would your station have SCOPE under that agreement?
Thanks.
Josh
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And DL's ramp employees with their reps will be the one's negotiating the CBA for DL ramp, not UA and not 141.
So stop spewing the garbage to cloud and distract.
The topic is unionization at DL, not UA, not US.
So stop spewing the garbage to cloud and distract.
The topic is unionization at DL, not UA, not US.
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