Iam Heading To Arbitration

[700UW]

Ummm parking those aircraft from a buisness standpoint in the financial shape we are and were in made sense. This was not mis management. It was a very good move considering....

Are you serious?

Tell the board how parking nine planes, paying full lease cost, insurance and the cost of ferrying them and storing them makes more sense the having our own people overhaul them?

How does it make more sense that the company had to go lease 6 more planes to keep the fleet size at 279?

 

[More Facts and Less Emotion]

WN's is bringing more and more maintenance in-house.

They currently perform their own C-checks and 1/4 D-Checks in-house, they have several of their own in-house repair and overhaul shops for componants.

WN's primary vendor is TRAMCO, which at one time was owned by Boeing and now owned by Goodrich I believe.

Southwest only vendors out a complete D-Check now.

Thanks 700UW for the info. Facts are much better than just opinion.

So if the D checks are outsourced to TRAMCO at WN, any idea what the bottom line cost savings is to WN vs. US by outsourcing that part of maintenance?

 

[DCD]

Itrade...you speak yet you know not...or not all anyway.

Half of the planes are there...and tooling is being sent from PIT and CLT on a near daily basis. BTW....Fred Smith and FedEx appreciate the business too. It's been a fortune already.

The parts are certainly not there in sufficient numbers either. We are shipping stuff south at premium prices. Another fine example of how stupid U can be. We empty our shelves in PIT and CLT to send it south , then we have nothing to work with regarding our line Acft or drop-in maintenance tha creep up daily.

U should be having the stuff "Drop-Shipped" direct from the vendors , instead of paying freight charges twice and wasting valuable and short staffed laboring time in the distribution centers. UPS motto...handle it only one time

You people have no clue as to whats taking place..and the vast amounts of money being wasted to do it. This confirms to me that no matter how few will remain at U? or how little they attempt to pay us? This company is going to fall victim to it's own beancounting stupidity , regardless of what the employees do or don't do to help them?

AOG, Isn't it true that a/c 670 (A330) spent two extra shifts in PHL while Usairways searched for flap gearbox lube, while all along Usairways stocks that lube at STE Mobile. Why wouldn't Usairways invest in a two gallon pail of lube at all Airbus repair cities especially where they have a hanger.

 

[cavalier]

WN's is bringing more and more maintenance in-house.

They currently perform their own C-checks and 1/4 D-Checks in-house, they have several of their own in-house repair and overhaul shops for componants.

WN's primary vendor is TRAMCO, which at one time was owned by Boeing and now owned by Goodrich I believe.

Southwest only vendors out a complete D-Check now.

Thanks 700UW for the info. Facts are much better than just opinion.

So if the D checks are outsourced to TRAMCO at WN, any idea what the bottom line cost savings is to WN vs. US by outsourcing that part of maintenance?

I don't believe they care about the savings, they care about headcount only. Example: Pit belt luggage system was placed out for bidding. The IAM bid came in by far the best price but yet they went with a higher cost vendor, reason, well read between the lines. This is only one reason; I believe we are all being set up for more cuts only to be sacrificed regardless with a buyout, merger or whatever. And yet we have some real fools believing otherwise and willing to give their right arms to let it happen!

 

[jack mama]

Can someone enlighten the rest of us on the history of minor abritration? Timeline, what's at stake? It seems the pilots had some stuff in abritration for quite sometime. Any predictions to the outcome?

Company to pay damages? or Maybe the IAM can make this their only concession in the new wave of cuts? No more wage or job cuts, for now? Lets hope for the best.

 

[sentrido]

QUOTE (usfliboi @ Mar 3 2004, 05:32 PM)
Ummm parking those aircraft from a buisness standpoint in the financial shape we are and were in made sense. This was not mis management. It was a very good move considering....


Are you serious?

Tell the board how parking nine planes, paying full lease cost, insurance and the cost of ferrying them and storing them makes more sense the having our own people overhaul them?

How does it make more sense that the company had to go lease 6 more planes to keep the fleet size at 279?

It makes sense because if they(US) win, and I pray they dont, they will never, ever have to recall or hire another mechanic ever again. How much does that bet payoff vs. the cost to the comapany of fighting the IAM? How do they sleep at night, gambling with peoples livlyhoods for a dollar. The sick thing is, Dave and his kind end up getting paid either way.

 

[jack mama]

More facts, less emotion...you make some good points...and it would be real interesting for the company to show the public some numbers. sadly i don't believe they even have a handle on the inhouse costs, so it would be hard to compare. but if you have a contract, you know the costs and at least you can budget for it.

and the other points you made are right on too. insourcing doesn't prevent accidents and/or mistakes. u mechs can and do make mistakes, just as outsourced mechs. who do you think is working at these outfits anyways? laid off airline mechs.
i think the company is responsible for the quaility oversight at a vendor. i hope they have a lot of eyes watching the first few planes until they get some confidence in the vendor.

just my thoughts

 

[totobird]

If the company can save money by outsourcing the work I am all for it.
USAirways needs to cut costs wherever they can so at least some can survive. If USAirways continues overpaying it's employees we will all be out of work.
Dave is doing a great job. A year ago we thought USAirways would be gone. We are still here thanks to Dave and his team.

 

[repeet]

jack mama
Posted on Mar 3 2004, 10:44 PM

More facts, less emotion...you make some good points...and it would be real interesting for the company to show the public some numbers.

David Bronner
Said in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

"It's an ongoing thing," Bronner said of the restructuring process."If (the employees) are looking for a piece of paper with a business plan on it, they're in the wrong business."

You're right Jack. The company doesn't have a handle on what in house maintenance costs. All they know is that they DON'T want to do it in house, regardless if it saves them money or not

 

[700UW]

Bob, Right to Work does not affect unionized workers in Transportation, we are governed by Federal Law, the Railway Labor Act.

 

[mweiss]

If the company can save money by outsourcing the work I am all for it.

If the company can save money by outsourcing. I'd imagine the labor cost differential is massive to be able to justify the additional logistical costs. If the company can save money by outsourcing.

 

[PITbull]

If the company can save money by outsourcing the work I am all for it.
USAirways needs to cut costs wherever they can so at least some can survive. If USAirways continues overpaying it's employees we will all be out of work.
Dave is doing a great job. A year ago we thought USAirways would be gone. We are still here thanks to Dave and his team.

totobird,

Go fly away!

 

[delldude]

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CONSIDER THIS YOUR WARNING DELLDUDE.

 

[GeezLouis]

Question:
Is the company in Mobile going to continue performing maintenance on the Airbuses' while this thing goes through arbitration?


Totobird,
Maybe the company should consider outsourcing your department. Anything to save a few bucks! Maybe Dave should outsource the whole airline since he's such a great leader! That would probably solve all our problems!!!

 

[delldude]

Can someone enlighten the rest of us on the history of minor abritration? Timeline, what's at stake? It seems the pilots had some stuff in abritration for quite sometime. Any predictions to the outcome?

Company to pay damages? or Maybe the IAM can make this their only concession in the new wave of cuts? No more wage or job cuts, for now? Lets hope for the best.

lets say IAM is right....all work done now in Mobile would be in violation of the contract and would be a payable grievance...what ,to the tune of some amount in the millions??my my....company got their day in court and their money's worth....lets be fair now,,we must now wait for an arbitors decision already based on 54 years of inhouse heavy maintenance with every new aircraft type delivered to U .and also there is precedent as to U having a past record of closing down facilities to circumvent an existing contract.(TPA ring any bells?)so be advised,it isn't a slam dunk for the company by any means.
if U would lose..stop and think of the legal fes expended ,the lost revenue from these a/c being grounded and the inconvienence caused to our loyal customers and the publicity regarding 700uw when brought back into service.
at what cost does it become worthwhile?