IAM gets 100% seniority for AIRTRAN Customer Service Agents.

[buscador]

Not as simple as that.
As I have explained earlier in this thread.

The IAM should have gotten the best deal possible for the people who have been paying them dues for 10-20 years I believe, before trying to organize their opposition who have paid no dues at all.

Straight up betrayal to their members.
I would be fit to be tied if my union tried to do that to me.
I would also vote their butts out so fast their heads would spin.
Then declare the SLI deal not a deal with my new union. Something similar to what the US air pilots did.


I know it is wishful thinking but the CSAs should have seen this coming and the IAM were going to get those members anyway.

So AT CSA's who never had a union,( if they were looking for one or not) again got the tremendous Windfall end of this ScrewJob...... If anyone says they think this is fair is also saying that,, they would be happy if this happened to them,,, if your Union went out in upcoming years and did the same to you,, You would be ecstatic... is that a fair assumption....

If you Raise your hand and Say what the IAM did,, to the long time Union Paying members just to grab new fees from AT people,, you need not reply to this because you are simply Lying or truly insane....This was IAM greed and the scumbags deserve a world full of Bad Karma and much worse

Remember right or wrong most people dont scrutinize their Unions movements, life gets in the way... They trust that by paying their dues, they will in turn receive adequate representation... and above all get to VOTE on all things that will damage or change the rest of their Carreers......

EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS IS WRONG,,this will above any other SLI;s Divide this company for the rest of their Carreers period..... The AT CSA's would be above Sainthood if they understood and agreed to take a 2.5 year hit atleast.. but I think we all know how far that would go,, So AT CSA's enjoy all your New Money,, and dont be surprised when you will never be welcomed by your counterparts..... Again right or wrong that is REality,,

It would send a fantastic message from a group who has not paid any Union Dues to IMA... to actually give something back they dont have too..... Just saying

Totally different if AT CSA;s were a part of this union for years,,,

 

[Kev3188]

I would also vote their butts out so fast their heads would spin.

And maybe they will... Wouldn't be the first time it's happened. When are the officers up for reelection?

'Course that won't change the IAM's constitution- nor it's integration policy- but my guess is that if the agents are as angry as some are implying, then that's the likely outcome.

Then declare the SLI deal not a deal with my new union. Something similar to what the US air pilots did.

The pilots agreed to binding arbitration, then cried foul when it didn't go their way. Is that something you really want to advocate for?

 

[WNMECH]

The pilots agreed to binding arbitration, then cried foul when it didn't go their way. Is that something you really want to advocate for?

I didn't say that.
These CSAs didn't agree to arbitration or anything else. This was all forced on them.

I only meant they should try to get a second bite at the apple because the first bite had a worm in it and was force fed to them.

Even though they have no time now and it was wishful thinking at best.

Although I would still now fight like hell to get rid of the IAM so they could never screw me over again.

 

[Kev3188]

But that's what happened w/US. USAPA was borne out of the Nicolau award. Remember also that a vote for a new union would include the entire combined group.

I get what you're trying to say; I'm just saying there's more to it than that...

 

[WNMECH]

But that's what happened w/US. USAPA was borne out of the Nicolau award. Remember also that a vote for a new union would include the entire combined group.

I get what you're trying to say; I'm just saying there's more to it than that...

Yes, it was more fantasy at this point than wishful thinking.

However the CSAs should have known what could happen to them when they saw the IAM going after the combined Ramp/CSA group.
They appear shocked that they got DOH.

We mechanics were fully aware from the very beginning what would happen if AT went AMFA before SLI.
We made sure it wouldn't happen until our SLI was settled.

A unions first priority should be to protect their members. Not go out and organize another group when the direct result is to harm your dues paying members.

I think the IAM betrayed their members and I hope they pay for it by losing the whole group.

Instead of asking themselves "what can we do to best protect our members during this merger"?
The IAM asked "what can we do to make the most money during this merger".
Very short sighted because the ramp will go to the TWU and the CSAs may be pissed enough to drop the IAM also.

 

[WNMECH]

This brings up another problem for the CSA group.
If they vote out the IAM, who do they vote in to represent them?

 

[SharoninSAT]

I understand your position. You and all the SWA people worked hard to make what your company is today.
Top of the Industry!
I can't empathize as I haven't been in your position.
The 'company' made the merger, not you or AT.
The AT people had no choice either, but fought for the best deal.
The Unions agreed on a contract. One person, one vote.
Yes, they did get raises and benefits bump, but your unions agreed to it.
IMHO, some people are a magnet to negativity, regardless of the situation.
Good luck to you and your new coworkers!
B) xUT

As much as they don't like it, they are stuck with it as the majority voted for it.
Right, wrong, or indifferent.
Sure they can complain about it but they are bound by their vote, just as I was bound by the POS that I received from United.
I have had my #### sandwiches as well.

Both SWA and AT voted for the IAM,
IAM decided DOH.
End of Story.

Good to hear it!
Best to you all at SWA!
Take Care,
xUT

Very well said!

Thanks xUT...
Sharon

 

[gizmo_sc]

It was not that IAM wanted DOH that is the IAM Seniority Integration POLICY. Anytime two groups represented by IAM merger, the seniority is DOH. I agree it is going to make things little intense at some stations, especially MCO, BWI and ATL. Speaking to those who are RSW and represented by IAM they are most unhappy. What I wonder is if they are that unhappy will there be momentum to organize and seek a new union. Comparing the IAM contract to the TWU, the TWU contract is far superior. Seems the IAM does not care about the PT agents. GK and staff keep saying they want more PT. FYI the TWU just applied for mediation since the contract talks are stalled at this point.