IAM settled on 100% seniority for Customer Service agents coming over to SWA from FL.
http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2012/WN_2012-120.pdf
http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2012/WN_2012-120.pdf
IAM gets 100% seniority for AIRTRAN Customer Service Agents.
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The SWA CAS's should have seen this coming.
The only way for them to have gotten a fair and equitable list would have been to vote the IAM out before a list was presented from them.
The IAM just screwed over all their long time members at SWA.
Kev3188
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Of course they should've seen it coming; when 2 groups are represented by the same union (as these 2 are), the union's integration policy generally prevails. Surely, the WN agents were familiar the IAM's policy?
The better question is why people think DOH for all is a raw deal?
WorldTraveler
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But it would have been ok to screw the incoming FL agents?
Perhaps the WN agents should have told WN mgmt they didn't want a merger with FL.
Take a minute. Close your eyes and with your imagination, put yourself in the SWA CSA's position. Possibly your perspective on the matter will clear up..... Maybe not.
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Swadl
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WN sold out their employees for growth!! Plain and simple!! SWA should have voted out IAM as said before. Sorry but I don't feel any FL employee should get their company seniority and should be happy they are still getting a pay check and a better check at that. SWA bought AirTran there for should be stapled to the bottom and retain there own FL seniority among them selves below SWA employees. So the way I see it is the SWA customer service agents did it to them selves by not voting IAM out!! And don't take my comment in a bad way I know there are many great guys/gals at AirTran!!
QA4Jet-A
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In all respect, I will disagree. Just because WN bought FL, why is it that EVERY FL employee should be sent to the bottom? Do you realize if that were to happen, WN would most likely lose a lot of talent that would have improved the over all company. Systems that FL has in place that are better than some of the current WN systems and no one would have a clue how they worked. Let's talk Int'l flying, it is no cake walk about what you have to do in the Carib & Mex to get things done and if all the FL folks walked, WN would be worse off. If you stapled them all to the bottom, do you really think they'd give a darn if and when you figured it out. Just for the record, not everyone at FL got fat raises. I for one, can attest to that but I did keep my DOH b/c it doesn't matter. At the end of these days, we will all have to work together so what is the point of worrying about, or even commenting what one work group got over another? Seems silly to me.
SharoninSAT
Veteran
When it is the same union, seniority is done by date of hire/date of entry into the classification.
That is why AirTran CSA's went union after the announcement of the acquisition.
The integration policy is in the IAM contract. Unions have an internal integration policy in place
to protect their union members regardless of which company they work for. The other work
groups were represented by different unions on each side, meaning a negotiation took place
and members had to vote to approve the integration between the two unions.
AirTran brought value to Southwest in this business deal and IMO date of hire/date of entry into the
classification (dovetail) is fair and equitable for all involved.
QA4Jet-A
Veteran
Thank you Sharon for the commen sense approach!
Kev3188
Veteran
There's no other way *to* take it...
AvTech04
Senior
Let's all be adults about this, what's done is done, all we can do now is move forward. SWA didn't sell out its employees and AirTran was/is a lucrative and viable company. SWA did what it needed to do to grow, compete and mostly survive.
How about we take what we got and move on to build this bigger and better SWA that management keeps promising everyone. Just a thought....
How about we take what we got and move on to build this bigger and better SWA that management keeps promising everyone. Just a thought....
Don't know why Sw mechanics think anything but DOH is fair but I guess from their viewpoint DOH is not right since you "trannies" are supposed to be getting a better deal you should accept less. Tell you what I have no dog in this fight but pissed me off when SW bought FL. FL had a nice niche I always bought tickets on them and paid for the biz class upgrade which is going to be gone now. Now I have to fly cattle car SWA. Would love to work for them but hate to fly them.
Yeah , "value" in the debt we assumed? value in having to spend 100 Million in delta paint for the 717's ? really? The money in the war chest was money saved by SWA, earned on the backs of the SWA employee's. Dovetail is far from fair. I was an airtran employee, I used it as a stepping stone in my career path, along with a bunch of other AT guys that jumped ship years and years ago , hanging everything out on the line in search of something better. For those that rested on their laurels waiting for the "golden ticket" to be dropped in their laps.... They need to give something up? and it sure as hell isnt the huge pay and benefits they are giving up???? all they have to give is hard work, which remains to be seen, and seniority??? figure it out.
Why we dont feel its fair? lets see, the fact that the money in the war chest used to buy FL was saved on our backs, in some cases , literally. Niche? check the assumed debt... , how about br715 reliability..... Come on man. When the mass exodus of mechs at my AT station happened 14 years ago, the ones who could left.... now 14 years later, the ones who thought its good enough and didnt want to risk anything end up having the ticket dropped in their laps... hope they like RON SWA style.
