IAM Fleet Service topic

[cltrat]

My take is this

Company gets the members to accept a fools contract

Company mergers with another

Layoffs happen due to restructioning of hubs and out stations

Your measly wage increase does you no good your outta of a job

Been there done that

Never again

PS Philly is becoming a huge NO vote

get the people out in Philly bro we need those NO votes

 

[wiser bud]

With a merger, the COC has incredible value.

Upon further review, the COC, used once, failed. Was said to be a slam dunk, winning lottery ticket. At this stage given its history, I would surmize the COC is NOT CREDIBLE....muchless INCREDIBLE!

 

[JoeDirt]

Upon further review, the COC, used once, failed. Was said to be a slam dunk, winning lottery ticket. At this stage given its history, I would surmize the COC is NOT CREDIBLE....muchless INCREDIBLE!

If it has no value why are they so insistant on having it removed?

 

[VideoGuy]

Upon further review, the COC, used once, failed. Was said to be a slam dunk, winning lottery ticket. At this stage given its history, I would surmize the COC is NOT CREDIBLE....muchless INCREDIBLE!

Seems to me the company wanted this non credble item out in a hurry.

Gee I wonder why if it was a worthless item?

Listen close you might hear Hemenway chuckling that he is close to having it out before a merger

Keep drinking it will numb the pain once the screwing begins

 

[Jester]

30 years in May dude. When Piedmont offered me a job back in 78 I took it. Just to enlighten a few folks out there.....30 years is not that senior for USAirways.


Rook....
Sorry to sound defensive. It's that no one has a crystal ball here and a lot of folks out there act like they do. Hey...if we vote no and they go right back back to the table, and come back with 20....you aren't gonna see a happier man than me. BUT.....the only thing I am going by is that both sides said they are NOT going back....so I don't think we should gamble on this. Just my opinion and I'm sticking with it!

Giant,

I am not sure if I am to honor or pity you for 30 years at this company and that being not all that senior either. Mercy, I hope I never get there.

I agree with your assessment of future negotiations being in doubt before the end of 2009. For better or worse, I am of the opinion that one of the strong selling points to having an union is to provide expert opinions on matter of economics and laws for which would be impractical for just one person to finance it on their own. If Boss Canale is telling me there will not be any future negotiations, then why should not I believe him? Yes, the Company did come back to the table after the prior T.A. was rejected, but it was not the IAM calling for discussions and it was the unique post-CIC ruling environment. I also think as some point the two sides would look across the table after spending a great deal of energy to hammer out a couple of rejected deals and ask each other to the effect, "Is there anything else you can figure?" and shake their heads. Regardless of business, if buyer and seller cannot agree to terms, then they walk away from further talks.

I do not hold this on-going conspiracy of Boss Canale and Parker being golf buddies plotting how to screw over the membership. That's not to say I think Boss Canale has represented West all that well during these past three years either. Those who think that changing the names within the IAM leadership will lead to higher pay will continue to be disappointed as the Company is not in a position to offer more with near billion dollar loss for the year pending. In economics, there is this concept called "rent sharing" (not to be confused with roommates in an apartment) whereby a profitable company is willing to share a part of the profits in order to keep things operating smoothly, as does Southwest for which their productivity leads to higher profitability, so the two are related. The former America West agents picked the wrong horse as they were working for a company with a history of meager profits , as for example, a few years ago management had a party when it announced 4 consecutive quarterly profits for the first time in its 20 year history! Needless to say, ramper starting pay was under $7/hour and starting year 6 the pay would be $10/hour as there was not much "rent" to share. US Airways is headed towards repeating that same financial history so long as fuel stays at record high levels.

I agree with you, given this environment, it is best to take the money and run and hope the company last long enough to negotiate the next contract in 2011.

So Mulls Jester.

 

[JoeDirt]

Jester
Would you have any objections to the west voting on accepting the east contract as is? If so what would be those objections?

 

[wiser bud]

Dirt,
Having not been in the negotiations, I do not know how badly they want it out. I don't know why we want it in. It failed its first test.
With all the talk about how bad our old and potentially new contract are regarding pay and bennies, I will probably want the merger partner's anyway.

The value of the COC at this stage is whatever it cost in ink to print it into the contract. Fractions of a cent.

 

[Jester]

Joe,

I have proposed this myself many times. And have asked, "If this issue does not affect the East, then why should East have a vote on something that effects only West?" However, some posters, like Tim, have objected as East would lose the West Section 6 option.

I have little doubt the current IAM contract would pass by an overwhelming majority, and yet, the shame is that the new T.A. would provide better protections for those 18 stations.

So Answers Jester.

 

[JoeDirt]

Jester
I keep coming back to the same thing. I keep asking myself a lot of why questions. Why would we in the east have to vote on the west going to our contract? It would have no effect on our contract. Why not just put it to a vote.

 

[JoeDirt]

Jester
The only answer I can come up with is the company wants something from Fleet. If it was to just have a unified work force would that not accomplish that goal? If thats not thier goal what is their goal? Question marks is all I am getting.

 

[giantfan]

Jester,

I couldn't have said any more eloquently!

So says, Giantfan!!!

 

[JoeDirt]

The one question I keep going back to is the one Hadenough posed.

Why did they come to us in the first place?
The only thing I can come up with is that they wanted and/or needed something from us. All that question does is bring up other questions.
What do they need? Why do they need it?


GF are you up for that debate we talked about? Damb thats another question.

Jester any ideas?

 

[orioleman]

let me help you out there joe,

from the words of our beloved UNION LEADER . T.R

and I qoute "United Airlines is considering Continental but its most likely partner will be US AIRWAYS. Everything is set up for United but United isn't going to sign any merger agreement that contains the Change in Control merger protections or West scopes,"

so you see joe it would appear that us lowly baggage handlers are screwing up Canale and DP dream marriage. whats a ramper to do

 

[mike33]

Dirt,
Having not been in the negotiations, I do not know how badly they want it out. I don't know why we want it in. It failed its first test.
With all the talk about how bad our old and potentially new contract are regarding pay and bennies, I will probably want the merger partner's anyway.

The value of the COC at this stage is whatever it cost in ink to print it into the contract. Fractions of a cent.

Please explain to the audience why we lost the COC last time and just what the COC is and its breakdown of its worth if won in a court of law?

All those who think it's worthles, tell me why? I don't want to hear that its been tested because if you use that analogy then you certainly don't know what it

is!!!!!!!!

wiser bud you first...........................

 

[JoeDirt]

Dirt,
Having not been in the negotiations, I do not know how badly they want it out. I don't know why we want it in. It failed its first test.
With all the talk about how bad our old and potentially new contract are regarding pay and bennies, I will probably want the merger partner's anyway.

The value of the COC at this stage is whatever it cost in ink to print it into the contract. Fractions of a cent.

It failed the first test but would it fail another. It does have a perceived value wether it is real or not. The US dollar doesn't have any actual value but it has a perceived value so therefore it has a real value. You are able to trade it for goods or services.