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As I said… if it (COC) is worthless, why bother paying attorneys…negotiators…and legal transcribers to remove it… simply leave it alone…

“If it ain’t broke… why fix it?


Dear Gentle Roabilly,

You certainly do provide the most provocative thoughts for me to respond, even after your aforementioned question has been asked by others. Allow me to offer my insights to the "importance" of the COC.

Frankly, it is cheaper even with the attorneys, negotiators, etc. to remove it now than to argue the point before a binding arbitration hearing later. Furthermore, even if the company continues to win such matters, defending the issue would be an expense whenever there is the slightest whiff a COC matter and Easties have dreams of Snap Backs dancing in their heads. From the company's point of view, it is broke and it needs fixin'.

In addition, any potential buyer might be uneasy with the COC regardless of assurances to the contrary and prior rulings. Think of it as akin to water pipes banging between the walls in your house, after 20 years and no problems, you are comfortable with it, but a new buyer will view it as a pipe ready to burst between the walls. You are probably going to need to fix it first. Then again if the price is right, and home inspectors sign off, then the buyer would be willing to accept the risk. Just as much as a buyer for US Airways would have their own legal experts review the COC as did the investors did a few years ago. Keep the COC and maybe, just maybe, a ruling might go in favor of the ramp agents, just as those pipes might actually burst.

The COC card was played by the IAM prior to the last TA, and there was some improvement. In some ways this current TA is a step backwards, but after losing the COC ruling, the COC importance was greatly diminished. Those clinging to the COC are looking for leverage to pull a string, when the only option available would be to push the string. Any potential buyer could continue to run as two or three separate fleet service organizations indefinately, so I don't see this contract as an something critical to overcome for the company before another merger or buy-out.

So Views Jester.
 
you can figure on 4 years in traditional bargaining. Remember, with the upcoming merger, a Yes vote guarantees the best you can do is be stuck with the worst contract in the industry until 2016 [2012 + 4 years] while your counterparts enjoy high wages and benefits and just don't ask them if you can share their profits.

A No vote before the merger guarantees AT WORST that YOU will be in position to negotiate an INDUSTRY LEADING CONTRACT in 2009 with the biggest airline.

Remember this is what a Yes Vote means with a merger

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regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
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So if we go with United, it would be another vote for M&R. But you guys could end up with no vote and a blend of contracts. Like what happened with Piedmont and us Air.(M&R contract)
 
Quote Jester...

"In addition, any potential buyer might be uneasy with the COC regardless of assurances to the contrary and prior rulings." (exert)

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My sentiments exactly Mr. Jester!

If a buyer were to be “uneasy†regarding legally binding language… that would be a pretty good indicator, that said language is of concern to said investor.

Having said that…

My argument would be that this "uneasiness" must have been instilled by some advisor to said investor… which conveys probable cost liabilities to said investor, until rectified, or removed.

Hence…We may conclude that COC does in fact have “Teethâ€!

Incidentally…Tha BBQ bet is still on…You ahh taker?
 
Quick question.. As far as the positive space travel in the TA for the IAM leadership does that apply to personal travel or is it for union business only?
 
Hey----- You might think dropping the results of the CIC (COC) is insignificant, but wait! I might be the thing that hinges on a MESS of a new language as to workers rights. Without it: it streamlines conditions FOR the companies. WITH the CIC IN TACT! union workers control, (perhaps!) the result of their working conditions.

Does this mean anything to the working man(or woman)? If American took us over and we had the voice of workers in this enviornment, could we rely on a New group in the NMB that favor unions, unlike they did under the Bush(Republican) group.

For now, we vote this in and accept the 4.00 an hour raise: can we accept giving up the THROUGHS! the work of this merger that we maybe will have no control over. Funny Americans go with the flow.

The CIC is the only voice we have to help control workers. We are the hardest and least paid!

All we should be asking of our representation by IAM is IF! By giving this away we have bowed to the ALMIGHTY dollar for the right to control our future rights. AND! How long will it take for any union that replaces this CIC to regain workers rights EVER.

PS I have written Dawn Gilbertson of the Republic to see if she can dig out the meaning and what it would mean for fleet. If it is useless let someone relate honestly to this. We need someone in authority, company/union to tell us when to let go.

Voting for the money is fine with this party. Giving away our voting rites is something else.
 
gf,
"This board is smack in the middle of Nelsonville and I don't work there."

dude got give you props.. That was funny :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
you can figure on 4 years in traditional bargaining. Remember, with the upcoming merger, a Yes vote guarantees the best you can do is be stuck with the worst contract in the industry until 2016 [2012 + 4 years] while your counterparts enjoy high wages and benefits and just don't ask them if you can share their profits.

A No vote before the merger guarantees AT WORST that YOU will be in position to negotiate an INDUSTRY LEADING CONTRACT in 2009 with the biggest airline.

Remember this is what a Yes Vote means with a merger

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regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
While I can't predict the future like you, I know full well what I have lost in the past since we became
a class II station. I have lost in excess of 10,000.00 in pay. I'm voting on a sure thing thank-you
very much!
 
Ms. Shocker...Super Shocker...Stealth Shocker... etc.... incarnate…

Tell us what "you" learned.... at “Flaccid Harborâ€￾!

Mr. Billy, While I'm offended at the "Flaccid" remark, I'll move on to say... I haven't been to Placid Harbor. I have heard it's fun and lots of usefull info there. I'm just a little grain of sand out here, and no excuse to go. Not sure how it works. Just shop stewards I guess? Don't think I'll get to that point. Tell me honey, have you been?
 
Thanks O-man--

I know you and I aren't on the same page with this T/A but sometimes frustrations build up and ya gotta have a little sense of humor!

I'm out....gotta check on my Yankees...but I guess for you & I that's whole another discussion! Have a good one...!
 
While I can't predict the future like you, I know full well what I have lost in the past since we became
a class II station. I have lost in excess of 10,000.00 in pay. I'm voting on a sure thing thank-you
very much!

You mean death and taxes didnt you? Going back to below Non union wages voluntary without a fight a sure thing? Not Me my friend

Parkers not pulling my pant's down why would anyone else let him?

Better to die on your feet than on your knees
 
My thought on the CIC is that somewhere in the new mergers workers (Fleet) and no other group will have a voice in there futures. That is the simplest way I can fraise it.
 
You mean death and taxes didnt you? Going back to below Non union wages voluntary without a fight a sure thing? Not Me my friend

Parkers not pulling my pant's down why would anyone else let him?

Better to die on your feet than on your knees
Again, you don't know what the future holds for us or any other airline.
 
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