IAM Fleet Service topic (Mini Thread)

[mike33]

I remember we talked about this in Nov. But how was it a minor dispute?
what determines that? Thanks BF

BF

It is major when you realize that it gives back the "Pay Parity", " Holidays", "Shift Premiums" " Vacations" up to 35 days.

How is that not MAJOR?

Increases in 2005-08. The foregoing hourly rates for employees who participated in the pay reductions will be subject to two (2) percent annual increases effective July 1, 2005, July 1, 2006 and July 1, 2007. Hourly rates for all employees will be subject to a three (3) percent annual increase effective July 1, 2008.
· Rescission of Parity Letter. No further parity increases will be provided and the Parity Adjustment Process letter will be withdrawn.

Premiums and Other Payments.
· Uniform Cleaning/Replacement. Article 18.F of the Basic Agreement will be amended to eliminate the cleaning allowance for fleet service employees from the effective date of the agreement through December 30, 2008. Effective December 31, 2008 the cleaning allowance will be reinstated.·
Shift Premiums. The shift premium under Article 19.A of the Basic Agreement will be reduced by 50% from the effective date of the agreement through December 30, 2008. Effective December 31, 2008, shift premiums will be reinstated.·
Overtime. Article 6.N will become effective and paid overtime bypasses will be eliminated with the withdrawal of the Letter of Agreement regarding overtime conversion on page 101 of the Basic Agreement.
·
Line Premium. Article 30 of the Basic Agreement will be amended to eliminate line differential pay from the effective date of the agreement through December 30, 2008. Effective December 31, 2008, line premium will be reinstated.

Sick Leave Accrual.
· Article 13.A of the Basic Agreement will be amended to provide for sick leave accrual as follows:
- From the effective date of the agreement through December 30, 2008, employees earn one sick leave day per calendar month, up to a maximum of nine (9) sick leave days (no days earned in February, June and October). Effective December 31, 2008, employees earn one sick leave day per calendar month.
Holidays.
· Article 14.A of the Basic Agreement will be modified to provide for eight designated paid holidays, eliminating President’s Day and Columbus Day from the list of holidays from the effective date of the agreement through December 30, 2008. Effective December 31, 2008, President's Day and Columbus day will return to the list of designated paid holidays.


Article 15.B will be amended to provide for accrual of vacation effective from January 1, 2003 through December 30, 2008 as defined in Attachment B. Effective December 31, 2008, vacation accrual will be reinstated as defined in Attachment B.
Effective December 31, 2008, employees beginning their 31st year of service will accrue 3.5 days of vacation each month with a maximum yearly accrual of 35 days.

$$ value I think you can see for yourself..........................Hemenway just needs to be fair to Fleet and the IAM NC needs to be replaced for not giving us all

the facts that they hide between the mattress................

Oh Yeah. Dont forget the COC article it's self......4.5%-4.5%-4.5%......with M&A.

 

[JoeDirt]

Orioleman.

Here is my scenario, we vote down this POS contract and we don't merge with anyone, Canale wins re-election and then puts the west people under the current contract. Also factor in that it takes 4 years to negotiate a new contract and our new top out wage as of 1/2014 is $24/hr. with a 2% raise in 2015.

Horse A: Accept T/A and my salary as a topped out west employee would equal $302,033 from 1/1/09 thru 12/31/15.

Horse B: Take my scenario above and my salary for same period would equal $293,749.

Which horse would you take now?

P. Rez

Your math is mistaken. You might want to go back and recalculate.

 

[P. REZ]

Joedirt,

My math is accurate. I simply multiplied my hourly rates by 40 hours per week plus holidays. No shift swaps or OT calculated. I will break it down if needed.

thanks

 

[orioleman]

bf,
"Great post. When PF or whoever comes by SAN I'm going to ask them
exactly what the factors are that give them a raise . In SMF
practically no one gets a cent for the next four years. OK Top out
will go from 18.38 to 20.17 . "

to answer your question . this came out of our by-laws . under Article IX


Section 2. (a) The Assistant General Chairman shall attend all meetings of the Executive Board. They shall assist the President/Directing General Chairman in all functions and shall be responsible for organizing employees covered by District Lodge No. 141, and shall be responsible to the President/Directing General Chairman.
(B) For the faithful performance of their duties, each Assistant General Chairman shall receive the following monthly salary rate, effective 01-01-06:
First six (6) months' service $7,988.24
Second six (6) months' service $8,066.27
Thereafter $8,145.58
The above salaries shall be increased each January 1st by a percentage equal to the percentage increase in weighted average hourly earnings on a union-wide basis. In addition, a per diem while away from his designated headquarters in the regular performance of his duties

so if the west is getting about a 20% and some are getting a 1.2 % figure the average of 10-12 % raise on there 100,000.00 salary
not a bad check for selling gloom and doom and getting a YES vote from ya

 

[orioleman]

"I think in June we can change venues with a vote but I'm not sure
about the May vote."

unfortunately . the location is not up for vote . That decision is made by your local president ..

 

[JoeDirt]

P. Rez
My mistake my friend. Your math is spot on because I did not calculate in the holidays. I see you also took into account leap year.

Pass the Quervo this way.

 

[P. REZ]

JoeDirt,

That's right, my math is right and 40 hours a week is 40 hours a week. No leap year calculations here. Everyones decisions should be about money and how it affects your life. Time value of money is a huge factor that I haven't seen discussed at all on this forum. I respect the opinions of the people on this site but want to include dollars and sense into the equation.


Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[kmsurvey]

BF

It is major when you realize that it gives back the "Pay Parity", " Holidays", "Shift Premiums" " Vacations" up to 35 days.

How is that not MAJOR?

Increases in 2005-08. The foregoing hourly rates for employees who participated in the pay reductions will be subject to two (2) percent annual increases effective July 1, 2005, July 1, 2006 and July 1, 2007. Hourly rates for all employees will be subject to a three (3) percent annual increase effective July 1, 2008.
· Rescission of Parity Letter. No further parity increases will be provided and the Parity Adjustment Process letter will be withdrawn.

Premiums and Other Payments.
· Uniform Cleaning/Replacement. Article 18.F of the Basic Agreement will be amended to eliminate the cleaning allowance for fleet service employees from the effective date of the agreement through December 30, 2008. Effective December 31, 2008 the cleaning allowance will be reinstated.·
Shift Premiums. The shift premium under Article 19.A of the Basic Agreement will be reduced by 50% from the effective date of the agreement through December 30, 2008. Effective December 31, 2008, shift premiums will be reinstated.·
Overtime. Article 6.N will become effective and paid overtime bypasses will be eliminated with the withdrawal of the Letter of Agreement regarding overtime conversion on page 101 of the Basic Agreement.
·
Line Premium. Article 30 of the Basic Agreement will be amended to eliminate line differential pay from the effective date of the agreement through December 30, 2008. Effective December 31, 2008, line premium will be reinstated.

Sick Leave Accrual.
· Article 13.A of the Basic Agreement will be amended to provide for sick leave accrual as follows:
- From the effective date of the agreement through December 30, 2008, employees earn one sick leave day per calendar month, up to a maximum of nine (9) sick leave days (no days earned in February, June and October). Effective December 31, 2008, employees earn one sick leave day per calendar month.
Holidays.
· Article 14.A of the Basic Agreement will be modified to provide for eight designated paid holidays, eliminating President’s Day and Columbus Day from the list of holidays from the effective date of the agreement through December 30, 2008. Effective December 31, 2008, President's Day and Columbus day will return to the list of designated paid holidays.


Article 15.B will be amended to provide for accrual of vacation effective from January 1, 2003 through December 30, 2008 as defined in Attachment B. Effective December 31, 2008, vacation accrual will be reinstated as defined in Attachment B.
Effective December 31, 2008, employees beginning their 31st year of service will accrue 3.5 days of vacation each month with a maximum yearly accrual of 35 days.

$$ value I think you can see for yourself..........................Hemenway just needs to be fair to Fleet and the IAM NC needs to be replaced for not giving us all

the facts that they hide between the mattress................

Oh Yeah. Dont forget the COC article it's self......4.5%-4.5%-4.5%......with M&A.

Mike where did you get your info? I went to the agreement on the IAM website and can't find this info.
If this is true this is great info.

 

[blownkneesbob]

well I got to say that if vince hickman was still around his head would be spinning . this whole neg process is a complete
joke why would anyone want this nothing more than a ppg that you pay a socalled union to put out for you
if that bylaw statement is true than I am outraged that our upperbrass gets an additional raise on what is already 3times what
i make a year. are these the same people that negotiated this glorified ppg and if so why aren't they held accountable. do any of these
people ever come on hear and defend why they agreed to this #### .

 

[cltrat]

great stuff mike simple to understand it should printed where all can see it

 

[mike33]

Mike where did you get your info? I went to the agreement on the IAM website and can't find this info.
If this is true this is great info.

Read Article 2b of the 2005 agreement. I'm no lawyer but it refers to the rate increase following the "Pay Parity of 2003" + an extention of 3 yrs at 4.5% if there is a COC.......Google Iam Pay Parity 2003. It's the first one.

If I misread everything than I'm wrong but I read it all 4-5 times.......................

Someone tell me I'm wrong so I have renewd faith that my dues are working for ME

 

[necigrad]

why is it that the east hubs all have to vote at the local but PHX and LAS get to vote at the airport?

Simple. The Company figures that they'll get "Yes" votes in those cities, so they'll bend over backwards to get the votes.

And Mr Bloch is a very well respected one, used by the NFL, NHL and has ruled in many cases in favor of the IAM before, inlcuding the Airbus Outsourcing.

So he's heard cases of dopers and professionals that throw a tantrum when they don't get what they want?

 

[JoeDirt]

Orioleman.

Here is my scenario, we vote down this POS contract and we don't merge with anyone, Canale wins re-election and then puts the west people under the current contract. Also factor in that it takes 4 years to negotiate a new contract and our new top out wage as of 1/2014 is $24/hr. with a 2% raise in 2015.

Horse A: Accept T/A and my salary as a topped out west employee would equal $302,033 from 1/1/09 thru 12/31/15.

Horse B: Take my scenario above and my salary for same period would equal $293,749.

Which horse would you take now?

There still is a problem with your "horse" race. There are a lot more than two horses in the race.

Horse C: Reject this T/A and the Co. and IAM continue talks and comes back with a T/A that is acceptable to the majority.

I'm placing my bet on horse C.

We could sit here all day and come up with scenario after scenario and there would be numerous "horses" to bet on.

 

[The Bagfather]

bf,
"Great post. When PF or whoever comes by SAN I'm going to ask them
exactly what the factors are that give them a raise . In SMF
practically no one gets a cent for the next four years. OK Top out
will go from 18.38 to 20.17 . "

to answer your question . this came out of our by-laws . under Article IX


Section 2. (a) The Assistant General Chairman shall attend all meetings of the Executive Board. They shall assist the President/Directing General Chairman in all functions and shall be responsible for organizing employees covered by District Lodge No. 141, and shall be responsible to the President/Directing General Chairman.
(B) For the faithful performance of their duties, each Assistant General Chairman shall receive the following monthly salary rate, effective 01-01-06:
First six (6) months' service $7,988.24
Second six (6) months' service $8,066.27
Thereafter $8,145.58
The above salaries shall be increased each January 1st by a percentage equal to the percentage increase in weighted average hourly earnings on a union-wide basis. In addition, a per diem while away from his designated headquarters in the regular performance of his duties

so if the west is getting about a 20% and some are getting a 1.2 % figure the average of 10-12 % raise on there 100,000.00 salary
not a bad check for selling gloom and doom and getting a YES vote from ya

I'll file a grievence if they don't take into account the Geo difference. Even without
that this will be a raise on !. a bankrupt contract and 2. The cheapest union contract
ever which has been amendable for 3 years.

 

[JoeDirt]

Orioleman.

Here is my scenario, we vote down this POS contract and we don't merge with anyone, Canale wins re-election and then puts the west people under the current contract. Also factor in that it takes 4 years to negotiate a new contract and our new top out wage as of 1/2014 is $24/hr. with a 2% raise in 2015.

Horse A: Accept T/A and my salary as a topped out west employee would equal $302,033 from 1/1/09 thru 12/31/15.

Horse B: Take my scenario above and my salary for same period would equal $293,749.

Which horse would you take now?

My bet on horse C produces $315,872 over the same time frame. Its not an unreasonable expectation. Calculate a 10% (vs. 8.5% on top tier only) across the board increase on the pay scale ($19.27 an hour vs. $19.00) and a 3% (vs. 2%) annual raise.