Furloughs Recalled For July 1st
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None of these f/a's to be recalled July 1 are exTWA. There were approx 950 AA f/a's above all the TWA f/a's who were furloughed last year. With the July recall, this still leaves about 717 of that AA group to be recalled before any TWA get back.
It sure is good to hear there is some movement though. It will be a great day when all our f/a's are back to work. Congrats to those returning.
It sure is good to hear there is some movement though. It will be a great day when all our f/a's are back to work. Congrats to those returning.
kirkpatrick
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I don't think the company over-recalled FA's. They're too careful for that. If they recalled they did it because they have info not yet available to us; like the actual number of OVL's that will be returning.NewHampshire Black Bears said:
They have no problem dealing with small overages in headcount. They can adjust average flying hours up or down a little and offer mini-leaves and PVD's if they find themselves a bit overstaffed.
I think they recalled because they did their math and realize they really need the bodies. Let's hope for another recall around Dec 1, after the 777 arbitration has been paid off.
MK
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MK;kirkpatrick said:
I suppose some of "it" was wishfull thinking on my part.
Perhaps if there is a change(down) in the number of airlines(and I DON'T wish that on ANYONE), then there most likely would be recalls "up the ying yang".
Mike,
(Off topic for a second), I'm heading out your way tomorrow(L.I.) for a family reunion. Baiting Hollow NY.(Suffolk county).
THANK GOD for the Orient point/New London CT. car ferry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regards,
NH/BB's
jimntx
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I would feel a lot more comfortable with that theory if furlough pay were still in place. If these people are recalled 01JUL and furloughed 01SEP, it doesn't really cost the company anything other than a little employee goodwill. And you KNOW how important that is to them!NewHampshire Black Bears said:
kirkpatrick
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I agree that if US or UA went out AA would certainly fill in some of the gap in whatever way they could, and it would almost certainly mean recalls. But I wouldn't wish that on anyone, even to get my own job back.NewHampshire Black Bears said:
I did that on my way to BOS last summer with the family in the van. Can't say it saved time or money, but it was fun.
MK
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AA-has created a monster with this FMLA thing-thats why you always see adjustments to admin the program...employees in different states(CA for one) have challanged the company to the legality of their interpitation of the law.jimntx said:Well, as far as I can tell, AA's implementation of FMLA is questionable at best. I was in corporate America for several years after the passage of FMLA. I've never seen an interpretation of the law like AA's.
Basically, the FMLA--the law, not AA's take on it--says that an employer who offers defined benefits--such as sick leave--MUST give a full-time employee up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave per year for personal/family illness. However, (and this is where I'm confused by AA's approach) at other companies where I have worked, FMLA could not kick in until you had exhausted all accrued sick leave and vacation. In other words, the company kept you on the payroll as long as possible before putting you in the FMLA unpaid status.
Needless to say, this ain't the way it works at AA. And, I am still confused by the procedure. Maybe if I ever need it, it will make more sense.
I personaly know of f/as who are having to leave the company because they can not take FMLA any more...if anything-this stance has helped the plight of the furloughees-theres not much wiggle room left for low time flyers/people with chronic health issues/sick parents.....ect...
200+-welcome back to the line-congrats-see you around the system!!
the rest of you hang in there......
FMLA implimentation is one area I have to applaud AA management. I needed to miss about 5 to 10 days for a minor surgery so my supervisor encoraged me to apply for FMLA. I was, of course, very suspisious simply because he recomended it. I kept thinking there must be something that benifits the company and is detrimental to me(typical cynical AA employee)!! I think I had two forms to fill out and my DR had to fill out and fax another to AA medical. It was approved pretty quick but I was told if nessessary it can be givin approval after-the-fact. I was allowed to burn my sick time on FMLA WITH NO PENALTY on my attendance record.jimntx said:Well, as far as I can tell, AA's implementation of FMLA is questionable at best. I was in corporate America for several years after the passage of FMLA. I've never seen an interpretation of the law like AA's.
Basically, the FMLA--the law, not AA's take on it--says that an employer who offers defined benefits--such as sick leave--MUST give a full-time employee up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave per year for personal/family illness. However, (and this is where I'm confused by AA's approach) at other companies where I have worked, FMLA could not kick in until you had exhausted all accrued sick leave and vacation. In other words, the company kept you on the payroll as long as possible before putting you in the FMLA unpaid status.
Needless to say, this ain't the way it works at AA. And, I am still confused by the procedure. Maybe if I ever need it, it will make more sense.
As you have stated, most companies want you to burn all your sick and vacation BEFORE you can use FMLA. They have a crappie attitude about it and are going to inconvience you as much as possible. "Oh you want FMLA? I guess you can forget about your family Vacation this year!" I was pleasently surprised at how well it works at AA!
jimntx
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AAMech, your situation is just one of the ways that I was talking about where the company appears to have "twisted" the intent of the law. Now. all you seem to care about is the fact that no "occurrence" appeared on your attendance record. Yet, you say that you used "sick leave" while on FMLA; so, I'm assuming you were paid during the time off. This is NOT what the law says.AAmech said:
The purpose of the law was to prevent employers from firing eligible employees who ran out of other leave due to an extended personal or family illness.
I have copied this directly from the U.S. Department of Labor (administrators of the law) website...(the bolding and underlining are mine)
FMLA
Synopsis of Law
Covered employers must grant an eligible employee up to a total of 12 workweeks of unpaid leave during any 12-month period for one or more of the following reasons:
for the birth and care of the newborn child of the employee;
for placement with the employee of a son or daughter for adoption or foster care;
to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent) with a serious health condition; or
to take medical leave when the employee is unable to work because of a serious health condition.
twasilverbullet
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Where is Flyboy4u? How soon they forget now that he was called back. Well, I still wish him well.
Garfield1966
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I am constantly amazed how many people who have family leave are sick during Thanksgiving, christmas, new years ... year after year. I saw one yesterday who has been out for all three for the past 4 years. I felt so bad for her, no being able to enjoy the holidays for 4 whole years because she is always sick.. Tsk Tsk.
jimntx
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Just FYI...
Heard through the grapevine that the company received 45 refusals from the 233 recalled furloughees. That is twice as many as they normally expect. The company traditionally expects a 10% refusal and "builds a cushion" into the recall numbers, so that they don't have to recall additional furloughees immediately.
Heard through the grapevine that the company received 45 refusals from the 233 recalled furloughees. That is twice as many as they normally expect. The company traditionally expects a 10% refusal and "builds a cushion" into the recall numbers, so that they don't have to recall additional furloughees immediately.
Sorry TWASliverbullet
No I haven't forgotten. However, I have only had 3 weeks to quit my other job, get a crashpad setup, and prepare for training again. No, I am not complaining because I do have my job back. Just my time is being well organized. I haven't forgotten and never will.
Peace!
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