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TransWorldONE
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The last I heard there is a meeting with the EC over the uncounted/discounted votes tomorrow.AAStew said:
Regardless of the outcome "We" will be hated because we voted...anger should be directed at the majority of naatives that didn't care enough to vote. :down:
Garfield1966
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I hope you are not getting a masters in statistics. 3 FA's out of 17k? Not a very broad sampling.Flyboy4u said:
Yes there are flights every now and then that go out understaffed. Probably due to a last min sick call or ES or ..... I have not had a flight go out understaffed on either of my bases since just after the new year.
kirkpatrick
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Flyboy,Flyboy4u said:
You will be recalled; it's a question of when. That "when" depends on a couple of items.
Item #1) How many of the OVL's will bail out?
Item #2) How many are waiting for the 777 arbitration payoff to bail?
Item #3) What are the company's plans for 2005?
We should know the answer to #1 in July, #21 by Nov, and the company normally announces plans for the next year in the fall of the previous year.
So, in my not so humble opinion, my advice to you is: If you want to fly, your worst case scenario is Spring of 2005; your best case scenario is just before xmas 2004.
All of the above is presuming there are no 9/11 type attacks on the transportation industry.
MK
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Thank you Stew for your graciousness.AAStew said:
Back to the chad status. E-mail exchanges from attendees at the EC meeting suggest there are 16 TWA unopened ballots from the election. They were unopened due to some internal APFA procedures. According to e-mails, the APFA lawyer has stated the ballots are legal. Then too there are some other ballots in dispute. So what happens next is uncertain. But it appears that fighting over election results is far from over as is the election of the APFA President.
twasilverbullet
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Hotel, what's your spin on all of this? 
AC AA LA FA
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here is a tid bit-not to sure what it might add up to but it seems some good news on the manning logic from HDQ-
SFO DOM
PVM pos 9 and 8 on JFK/MIA -BID for JUN
PVM pos 3 LAS BID-JUN
maybe the numbers can not be ignored any more-
this for summer-what happens over NOV/DEC?
SFO DOM
PVM pos 9 and 8 on JFK/MIA -BID for JUN
PVM pos 3 LAS BID-JUN
maybe the numbers can not be ignored any more-
this for summer-what happens over NOV/DEC?
jimntx
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I can't imagine him giving up without a fight. Just what APFA needs...more legal fees to pay.AAStew said:
On another BB someone has posted DOL procedures for resolving disputed ballots. It appears from a fast reading that the disputed ballots shall remain unopened until an inquiry is completed to see if the ballots pass the union's requirement for a proper ballot. In this case, some individuals seeking to be members had faxed parts of the application process for membership. These ballots were disallowed although abpparantly APFA allows for such a process and by past practice has allowed such practice. Only after all internal union processes have been exhausted in efforts to resolve the dispute can the dispute be moved to another forum such as the DOL. Some posters here might have access to Base Chairs through phone or e-mail and might be able to shed more light on how resolution might occur.
jimntx
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Here's what I was told...AAStew said:
Once it had been stated (by APFA legal counsel, I believe) that the unopened ballots were valid, Steve Ellis presented a Resolution that the ballots should be opened, counted, and the results combined with the previous results.
JW had already left to go to the fly-in in D.C. At the point that Steve presented his resolution, Ted Bedwell and Cheryl Walters got up and left the meeting denying a quorum for a vote.
I think the DOL is the next step.
