From a US Airways pilot to a AWA pilot

[ussnark]

That was not offered, it was DOH or bust. You can even see that in East pilots previous posts from months ago. I am not interested in rehashing the same argument over and over as some do. Have a nice day.

Except, it was DOH with conditions and restrictions and not straight DOH. You know it. You just cannot admit it because it sinks all your reasons otherwise.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Hulagirls,

Hulagirls said: "WE ALL HAVE OUR ISSUES TO GET THROUGH WITH THIS MERGER. GOT IT? LIVE WITH THE DECISIONS YOU HAVE MADE IN YOUR LIFE OR MAKE A CHANGE THAT WILL BE RIGHT FOR YOU. But please, stop acting like a victim of your own circumstances."

USA320Pilot comments: My personal life could not be better, my relative seniority improved with the Nicolau Award, and my desire is remain a narrowbody A320 Captain.

The Nicolay Award will likely not effect me much, thus, your clueless comments above are a waste of bandwidth. My issue is how this award effects people like Bill Glynn.

Here is the deal - either there is a settlement facilitated by ALPA International or I believe there are going to be dire consequences for every pilot and possibly every employee in this company. Moreover, I am o.k. with with either scenario.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[767jetz]

USA320pilot,
We all understand your anger and frustration. However, the AWA pilots did NOT do this to you. Doug Parker did NOT do this to you. ALPA did NOT do this to you.
You made decisions, as we all do, to work there, to stay there, to take concessions, to do it again, on and on.
YOU DESIGNED YOUR LIFE-YOU PENCILED IT IN, AND FILLED IN THE COLORS. YOU!!!

LIVE WITH THE DECISIONS YOU HAVE MADE IN YOUR LIFE
OR MAKE A CHANGE THAT WILL BE RIGHT FOR YOU.
But please, stop acting like a victim of your own circumstances...

Hulagirl

Your comments are accurate. USA320's response is typical of a person who in incapable of taking responsibility of their own choices and responds with anger when confronted or forced to be accountable.

He claims that his relative position has not changed and actually improved. Then he drags his personal life into it as if to prove how perfect his life is. (to himself)

The reality is that this award doesn't affect his relative position much, and doesn't affect most West pilots relative position (which is the whole point of ALPA merger policy and proves that it is a valid and reasonable award). HOWEVER, there is one VERY important thing it does do, much to his chagrin. Here it is, in plain English... it set a precedent that will prevent him and his like-minded coworkers from gaining a windfall in future industry consolidation.

You see, if USAirways tries to merge with Delta or Northwest or United, this award will fairly protect the pilots at those much larger airlines, and prevent him from flying widebody jets on longhaul flights that he is not entitleed to fly and has no career expectation of ever attaining. That is the real thorn in his side. Make no mistake, this uprising has little to do with AWA and everything to do with positioning themselves for a windfall in the NEXT merger attempt.

ALPA National can plainly see this. ALPA executive council must appear to take due time to analyze the process or be accused of neglecting their responsibility when East tries to decertify. So ALPA will drag their feet, mull over the arguments, and then sign off on the award since it is binding. There is NO support for the East guys at any other airline. And ALPA is better off without them then they are trying to overturn this award. Everyone but the East pilots see this as a relatively fair award and good precedent for the future. If the East wishes to decertify ALPA, that is their prerogative. Of course, as with their other decisions, they will be responsible for any consequences of that choice as well.

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[And as an aside note: If East decertifies ALPA, and then there is further consolidation, they expose themselves to being stapled by the next group. For that reason I don't see an attempt to decertify ALPA being successful.]

767jetz

 

[ussnark]

So, why don't you guys stop pointing your fingers out West?

Because your people couldn't run an airline if it were run for them?

 

[Seatacus]

6. the easties have nothing to lose
7. the westies have everything to lose (the demise of the company)

I hope the Westies realize that some of the Easties are tired of giving and don't care anymore.

 

[ussnark]

I hope the Westies realize that some of the Easties are tired of giving and don't care anymore.

Interesting how the Westies (rooties) acknowledge how many easties are close to retirement, attrition, which should mean to a discerning individual that there are a lot of pilots that are so close to retirement that, with the lowest compensation in the country, they are on the property only for the medical, something they could easily duplicate, if not exceed, by working at Home Depot for a year.

You want to play poker with your career? Don't pick opponents who have nothing to lose by pulling the entire house down.

Just saying.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I doubt the Stockholm syndrome will work with the AWA pilots. If problems ensue, then Doug will just sell of the parts. AMR would love to have the Shuttle and SWA would love to have PHL. But the most likely scenario is that the airline plugs along, Doug merges it again, and the beat will go on.

Yeah.

Just to please the west pilots, Doogie is going to sell off the parts of the airline that are making money JUST to protect the westie's Nicolau crap.

Yeah.

Doogie will do that. Who cares if it creates mammoth losses. Doogie is more concerned with his westies.

 

[73320]

ussnark or mrfurlough,

If either of you are interested I would like to talk to you and exchange views in a more constructive dialougue than is possible on this board. I am a west Captain and I have had very positive dialogue with the few east pilots I have run into post award. Yes we talked about the award and came away smiling and better for it. . PM me if you are interested.

Thanks

 

[TechBoy]

And expain to me why DCA, and in part LGA and BOS were shut down for flights for months/years after 911.

How about sticking to the facts. LGA and BOS were not shut down (apart from the 2-3 day nationwide shutdown). DCA was closed for months, not years.

The closure of DCA was a short term problem for US, and is really irrelevant to the financial situation for US in 2005.

 

[TechBoy]

My advice for the west is to paint a few scenarios that involve a merger with a larger airline and estimate how the Nicolau Award would affect you as it would likely be used as a basis for future arbitrations. Relative Seniority might not be as rosy 5 years from now and since West pilots are generally younger there is more to lose.

Lots and lots of variables

Why, Piney? It shouldn't be a problem for them at all. If there is a merger with DL or UA or whomever, they will get relative seniority and will likely attain their current career expectations (i.e., narrowbody captain) so they will lose nothing. In fact, if they are quite young now, they might make widebody captain, which is something they are unlikely to see at US.

Not to mention that all of those airline pay more than US, so they will make more along the way.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

also[/b] just a "short time problem" for those of us on the East.

Greeter.

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

There you go threatening everyone again. If you think for one minute that threats and intimidation will get you anywhere, well, you continue to impress me at how delusional one can really be. The west has adopted a no negotiations policy with corporate terrorists that threaten and intimidate to gain control and power.

Here is the deal - The EC will not unilaterally change or overturn the award, period! Wanna bet?

Any work action by you or others will be dealt with swiftly by the Company. They Co have already started to prepare for some type of work action by forming a hiring committee and developing new hire curriculum. Check it out for yourself.

You are right though; they will not sell off the east, just cut some fat off (unprofitable routes) and realign flying that should have been done before emerging from BK. This wil jus tgive them the excuse they need to do it a lot quicker.

Cheers!

Hulagirls,

Here is the deal - either there is a settlement facilitated by ALPA International or I believe there are going to be dire consequences for every pilot and possibly every employee in this company. Moreover, I am o.k. with with either scenario.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[AWA320]

I hope the Westies realize that some of the Easties are tired of giving and don't care anymore.

All the more reason to quit!!!!

 

[AWA320]

Interesting how the Westies (rooties) acknowledge how many easties are close to retirement, attrition, which should mean to a discerning individual that there are a lot of pilots that are so close to retirement that, with the lowest compensation in the country, they are on the property only for the medical, something they could easily duplicate, if not exceed, by working at Home Depot for a year.

You want to play poker with your career? Don't pick opponents who have nothing to lose by pulling the entire house down.

Just saying.

Yeah, yeah, yeah more of the same if I don't get my way I'll tear you down with me B.S.!! Stop talking about it and just DO IT!!! Just talking to hear yourself speak...

 

[flynomore]

There you go threatening everyone again.
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Any work action by you or others will be dealt with swiftly by the Company. They Co have already started to prepare for some type of work action by forming a hiring committee and developing new hire curriculum. Check it out for yourself.

Actually CC, you "should check it yourself." Pilot training as of June 1 will be performed under the US Airways (USAA105) FAA approved Advanced Qualification Program (AQP)--as of that date America West's pilot training program ceases to exist.

Do you know all of the inputs required in order to continue operating an AQP? It requires some voluntary programs that operate with ALPA (AAA) approval. No voluntary program, no pilot training until the old program can be spun back up. Your sources probably also know that Resource Planning has already built staffing based upon the AQP training times. Any return to the old system of training explodes staffing at the worst possible time.

Cheers!

There is bluster a-plenty on this web board, but continued taunts don't get us any closer to anyone's goals. So put that tongue back in your mouth, mate.

Cheers.