Finally; Non-stops from Dallas to LGA---

[WorldTraveler]

OK, then roll it all back, including the ability for DAL to remain open.

After all, if you want to remove *all* vestiges of what's characterized the North Texas aviation landscape, you'd have to hit the undo button all the way back to the point where both Dallas and Fort Worth agreed to close their respective airports and team up on the construction of DFW.

Good luck making that happen, WT.

 
 

Yes E, and it would also include to allow international flights from DAL, that is if it were all undone completely...

the partial abortion that has taken place is fair to no one....

personally I vote for allowing AA and DL and anyone else to fly out of DAL with WN having to provide enough gates such that WN would control no more than the average percentage of gates that any legacy carrier has at their hub airport

AND that WN be allowed to add int'l from DAL and also serve DFW with no requirement to give up gates at DAL to fly from DFW>

THAT is what the revisions of the WA should have done.

What has resulted and what the DOJ only made worse is continuing to protect N. Texas aviation.

Serving or not serving DAL should have never been a condition of the AA/US merger, WN should not be allowed to control such a high percentage of the gates at DAL, and both AA and WN should be free to fly whatever they want fro either airport.

 

[eolesen]

Keep repeating that, WT...

 

[robbedagain]

swamt  do you think at some point in the future wn might get into the code sharing business or no?

 

[swamt]

Robbed,
 
With out doing any homework at all, I will throw a response out.  SWA already has had 2 codeshare agreements.  One was with West Jet, and one with Volaris.  I believe the WJ agreement has since been scrapped but not positive.  And as far as I know the Volaris agreement is still in tact.  There were rumors of more coming with other carriers but our pilots union stepped in and slowed some of those down.  One we heard might come is with ALK.

 

[swamt]

E, that's why I quit responding, he just keeps repeating. Until he has anything new to add to anything, or if he continues to lie, then I will correct or respond to other than that, he never adds anything new to the conversation, it's just repeat, repeat, and repeat...

 

[robbedagain]

swamt that would be very interesting if WN does a codeshare with ALK  esp if ALK also enhances or deepens with AA    i also wonder if down the road there could possibly be a codeshare involving WN, ALK, and AA   that would be rather interesting

 

[WorldTraveler]

Robbed,
 
With out doing any homework at all, I will throw a response out.  SWA already has had 2 codeshare agreements.  One was with West Jet, and one with Volaris.  I believe the WJ agreement has since been scrapped but not positive.  And as far as I know the Volaris agreement is still in tact.  There were rumors of more coming with other carriers but our pilots union stepped in and slowed some of those down.  One we heard might come is with ALK.

 
WestJet codeshares with AA and DL and both provide WestJet access to their networks and facilities that is worth far more than what WN could ever offer.

If WN could do codesharing, the value would come from providing connections to int'l airlines - not unlike what B6 and ALK does. But WN's business model is so different from AS or B6 - the cattle car boarding process for instance - that no self-respecting int'l airline would want to put their code on a WN flight.

 

E, that's why I quit responding, he just keeps repeating. Until he has anything new to add to anything, or if he continues to lie, then I will correct or respond to other than that, he never adds anything new to the conversation, it's just repeat, repeat, and repeat...

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IOW, you can't counter what I am saying

And it isn't just me.... you do realize that no less than the Wall Street Journal - the world's most read business newspaper printed an article on one day talking about how WN had lost its mojo but published an article on the next day talking about how DL is running its airline to operational reliability levels that are unprecedented in the airline.

This isn't the first time that articles have appeared in the same publication talking about WN's struggles and DL's successes.

I am either a very powerful man to be able to influence the media as much as I do - or else what I have been saying all along is right.

WN really isn't Herb's airline nor is it what you think it is.

The sooner you and others figure out that reality, the faster you can start rebuilding an airline that can succeed for another couple generations.

 

[Kev3188]

IOW, you can't counter what I am saying

...Or chooses not to...

There's a difference, you know...

 

[WorldTraveler]

he has had umpteen opportunities to provide a cogent response but has not.

He does not understand (yes, grasp) the issues at hand so he can't possibly come up with a suitable response.

there are others who have demonstrated their understanding of network and financial dynamics in relatively few posts. I know who they are and they know who they are.

I may differ with their opinions but I do know who "gets it" and who doesn't.

swamt has not ever demonstrated that he understands the financial or network issues being discussed.

Thankfully, though, there are people who know what they know and what they don't and stay within their strengths..... notably, Kev, you are one of those people. And you also have said that I know network, RM, and financial issues well. It is also why I respect you and am happy to defer to you to speak on the issues that matter to you and about which you clearly are prepared to speak.

 

[Kev3188]

I'll keep that in mind the next time a labor discussion breaks out.

Nevertheless, my earlier point stands.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I said I am happy to hear you... note that the heat is a whole lot lower when it is just the two of us talking instead of the US interlopers who can't explain the failures of their own ability to increase their pay despite being out of BK far longer than DL has been.

Anyone is free to bow out of a discussion when they want to or not.... I still stand by that WN has fundamentally changed and the fight for DAL is about flawed and antiquated assumptions that WN wants to foist on the DOJ which admitted that it didn't have time to properly prepare for a trial with AA/US - and then came out with the divestiture garbage which I have decried as unfair to AA as much as it is to anyone else.

Neither WN or swamt wants to hear any of it - but it isn't going away either from me or the business press regardless of what happens with DAL.

It will go away when WN returns to the same position relative to its peers that it once enjoyed. But some legacies - including DL - have raised the bar and WN is not going to get the license to crow that they once did.

They need to reinvent themselves - and today would be a real good day to admit that yesterday has past.

 

[swamt]

That would be very interesting Robbed, but I don't think it would go that far, however, you never know.  Not implying anything here, just saying that would be a shocker...

 

[swamt]

Correct Kev, I have chosen not to anymore.  His kicks are to stir and get responses. And now that the responses have stopped or slowed it bothers him greatly, wonder why?  Hmmm. 
 
What WT doesn't grasp is that SWA fired WJ because WJ was to greedy in their proposals and nego after the original agreement was agreed too.  Yes I do remember it all now.  I was playing dum-a$$ before WT, just to see your response, and as usual you bought it hook line and sinker.  Yea swamt is a dum-a$$, you just keep thinking that.
 
BTW Kev keep up the good work your doing on WT.  He has seem to fell for it as well with you.  He has still not added any new info or added information to the conversations, has he?  Keep posting WT, your doing great...

 

[swamt]

WT,  Repeat-Repeat-Repeat...

 

[WorldTraveler]

I am unabashedly committed to discussing the business aspects of the airline industry and am beholden to no one's loyalties to a specific carrier, including yours.

This whole topic was started based on the faulty assumption that WN would be breaking new ground by starting DAL-LGA service, something that VX and DL both are determined not to be left on the sidelines.

Things will look very crowded if WN has competition in some of the top markets it intends to serve from DAL while other carriers do the same thing.

The DOJ can try as hard as they want to protect WN but there will be those throughout the country that will ensure that DAL does not become a protected domain for one carrier, causing their consumers to endure higher airfares - which is exactly what has happened in every market that WN has started from DAL that AA also flies from DFW.

WN and AA, if they have to compete at all, want to maintain a duopoly at N. Texas and not provide lower fares and more choices for N. Texas consumers.

DL and other carriers will ensure that the changes to Wright result in more choices to N. Texas and not a continued dominance of the market by the two N. Texas based carriers.

No other two airports in the US have as screwed up access requirements as DAL and DFW does and those restrictions will fall.