Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Beancounter]

40? So you have been at it for a max of 17 yrs? Good for you....looks like you guys are gonna be ok. I started flying in 1978....you were about 5 yrs old. I have been at this job for 27 yrs now.

Ah, to be young again.....I got 20 yrs on you.

Just think, in another 4.5 yrs, one of you boys can have my seat and live under the new AA contract for the next 20 yrs.....enjoy!

I am thrilled to at least get 4.5 yrs to pay down the bills before retirement.

breeze

Very good estimation, my first flying job was in 1996 (17 yrs), same year I graduated college/flight school. Typical route: Flight instruction, 135 cargo/charter, 121 commuter, 121 major........................

Bean

 

[Pi brat]

Thanks for asking, but what I think is fair won't make the Nic go away. The Nic is the only existing list. It may not have been implemented yet, but it's still there. Can USAPA come up with something else? According to the ninth they can, but whatever it is will be held up against the Nic. I don't know how you would get a three way unless that is what an arbitrator decided. There in no one left to negotiate for the west. USAPA can't represent the west and east in a three way fairly. The APA is in the drivers seat and the majority of American pilots I've talked to favor arbitration.

Bean

That's kind of ducking bean. You gave your opinion on doh but about the nic you said there was nothing to do.

I have no idea how it will turn out but the Nic stinks

 

[mrbreeze]

Lol. That's the beauty of what the 9th wrote, plenty for both sides to conjure up. Gotta love it.

The only thing worse than brother pilot against brother pilot is our hacked up legal system.

Actually it's not funny, but rather sad.

You're right on the money, sir.

 

[Beancounter]

Sorry Bean,

But that is just an opinion that the west has conjured up.

Good luck to ya.
breeze

I read it in the ruling. It's plain as day, even written in plain english.

Good luck too.

Bean

 

[mrbreeze]

Very good estimation, my first flying job was in 1996 (17 yrs), same year I graduated college/flight school. Typical route: Flight instruction, 135 cargo/charter, 121 commuter, 121 major........................

Bean

I honestly wish you the best.....all you guys. Just give me time to drift off into retirement. LOL

breeze

 

[EastUS1]

The only thing worse than brother pilot against brother pilot is our hacked up legal system.

Actually it's not funny, but rather sad.

Amen.

 

[Zone5]

It's a merger of two companies, not three.

It might be "a merger of two companies, not three" if you're talking "operating" certificates, but the "rumors" about a merger of the AWA and AAA pilots via a JCBA and a "merged" SLI are way overblown! I've heard a lot about that may be happening some day, but as of the May 2013 permanent bid, I don't see any indication that it ever has or even will at this point, what with the recently "ratified" MOU with AMR. According to this recent MOU, there will be two "lists" from LCC and one list from AMR being integrated.


seajay

 

[nycbusdriver]

The east was massively understaffed on May 19, 2005. Then the other other staffing issues we've talked about like replacingy 737s with 330s on min fleet. Don't trust me, it's all in the Nicolau opinion and award. I dare you to prove me wrong or admit youre wrong.

Plus, several of the NB aircraft were replaced by WBs. Each WB requires additional F/Os to fill the IRO seats.

 

[Zone5]

Why admit that, if it's not true? We saved each other. As for what I want? Let's see, prior to the merger we were hiring 20/month, profitable, and had new aircraft arriving, I'd accept that. Gee, the company is profitable, but where is the 20 new hires a month and new growth aircraft? Oh yeah the east is hoarding it all to themselves. Didn't your mommy ever teach you about sharing with your brothers?

Bean

My Mother had a great method of teaching "sharing" to my Brother and I, a single "piece of cake" was split by one, while the other got to choose the first piece. Maybe that would work here. I know the "splitter" was very particular about evening up the cut and my "Sister" was never given the job of unilaterally dividing and distributing the results as she saw fit, which is why we never ended up with any "food fights" like we have here.


seajay

 

[nevergiveup]

Why admit that, if it's not true? We saved each other. As for what I want? Let's see, prior to the merger we were hiring 20/month, profitable, and had new aircraft arriving, I'd accept that. Gee, the company is profitable, but where is the 20 new hires a month and new growth aircraft? Oh yeah the east is hoarding it all to themselves. Didn't your mommy ever teach you about sharing with your brothers?

Bean

I believe staffing is done by management.(they are in PHX)

 

[nevergiveup]

In order to make your argument work. To keep what we brought. The west would have to get back 250 pilots and 24 aircraft. Upgrade about 80 pilots. In order for the east top keep what you brought you would have to shrink about 250 pilots. Moving all of you backwards. Furlough as bunch. Lose all of the 190 flying and hand over a few 330 and a 757.

Are you going to keep repeating stupid crap or understand what you are really saying?

Snapshot.....4 lists.....3 currently in effect and one in the recycle ben.

 

[PullUp]

Thanks for asking, but what I think is fair won't make the Nic go away. The Nic is the only existing list. It may not have been implemented yet, but it's still there. Can USAPA come up with something else? According to the ninth they can, but whatever it is will be held up against the Nic. I don't know how you would get a three way unless that is what an arbitrator decided. There in no one left to negotiate for the west. USAPA can't represent the west and east in a three way fairly. The APA is in the drivers seat and the majority of American pilots I've talked to favor arbitration.

Bean

The process is in place. We all know what happened last time in arbitration. The only difference this time is it will be a federal arbitration.
Not an internal policy/procedure. So, arbitration this time IS very binding, with the federal government backing it up and defending it.
Who in there right mind would skip the opportunity to negotiate this thing to avoid the unknown quantity that will be federal arb?
I vote for negotiating a deal.
Cheers.

 

[cleardirect]

The east was massively understaffed on May 19, 2005. Then the other other staffing issues we've talked about like replacingy 737s with 330s on min fleet. Don't trust me, it's all in the Nicolau opinion and award. I dare you to prove me wrong or admit youre wrong.

I asked a question how the math worked.

So since you admitted to bringing massive under staffing to the merger and you only want what you brought. You should go to Parker and tell him to furlough about 800 pilots to get you back to what you brought.

That is what you and your east pilots say right? You only want what you brought.

Shockingly could it mean that once again east pilots being dishonest and saying one thing while trying to get more? Because you don't want what you brought, you want what the merger brought at the same time taking from the west and keep the west from getting what the merger brought for the west.

 

[cleardirect]

It might be "a merger of two companies, not three" if you're talking "operating" certificates, but the "rumors" about a merger of the AWA and AAA pilots via a JCBA and a "merged" SLI are way overblown! I've heard a lot about that may be happening some day, but as of the May 2013 permanent bid, I don't see any indication that it ever has or even will at this point, what with the recently "ratified" MOU with AMR. According to this recent MOU, there will be two "lists" from LCC and one list from AMR being integrated.


seajay

Where does the MOU say two lists?

The MOU does not put a number on it.

 

[PullUp]

Where does the MOU say two lists?

The MOU does not put a number on it.

h. US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for
changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in
this Paragraph 10.