Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

You are working as a pilot for US Airways because your daddy got you the job.

B737 Type Rating, 1500 hours B707 Flight Engineer, 3000 hours First Officer DC6, DC8, and B707.

You're right, I was completely unqualified.

 

[Res Judicata]

I will make it darn sure you are tired of seeing the following video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YFS_ssKOaE&list=PL21C1C7D32B996827&index=7

Damn. I actually forgot what a complete fool Cleary is. Thanx Claxhole! You still, "on Board" ( wink, wink) HHHHHAAAAAAA!!!! Damn your people are stupid. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Btw, the management " team" Kim Jong dipschitts so disparagingly referred to, now run the Largest airline to ever exist.

The Nic. Is coming to you shortly in suppository form. You should have gotten more to vote no on the MOU. That document eviscerated you scabs.

 

[Pi brat]

Damn. I actually forgot what a complete fool Cleary is. Thanx Claxhole! You still, "on Board" ( wink, wink) HHHHHAAAAAAA!!!! Damn your people are stupid. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Btw, the management " team" Kim Jong dipschitts so disparagingly referred to, now run the Largest airline to ever exist.

The Nic. Is coming to you shortly in suppository form. You should have gotten more to vote no on the MOU. That document eviscerated you scabs.

How anyone could watch that childish display and call someone else a fool is beyond me.

Like fish in a barrel? That why the F/Os over there are so angry? Your lawyers have a bad aim then after what? 5 years?

 

[nevergiveup]

Damn. I actually forgot what a complete fool Cleary is. Thanx Claxhole! You still, "on Board" ( wink, wink) HHHHHAAAAAAA!!!! Damn your people are stupid. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Btw, the management " team" Kim Jong dipschitts so disparagingly referred to, now run the Largest airline to ever exist.

The Nic. Is coming to you shortly in suppository form. You should have gotten more to vote no on the MOU. That document eviscerated you scabs.

Not sure why you chose to vote away the Nic, but I'm sure you had a darn good reason. Good going, move.

 

[luvthe9]

You are working as a pilot for US Airways because your daddy got you the job.

Otherwise he would have ended up at AWA probably, "I got nowhere else to go".

 

[cactusboy53]

Your point please sir, be specific.

You're a tool. SEE YOU IN COURT. Point taken?

 

[Bill Brasky]

You're a tool. SEE YOU IN COURT. Point taken?

I hope so. I want to be there to see your faces when you LOSE! While you're crying about all the money you wasted, I'll be laughing my a$$ off!

 

[cleardirect]

I hope so. I want to be there to see your faces when you LOSE! While you're crying about all the money you wasted, I'll be laughing my a$$ off!

Since you are so sure about the outcome.

Please post the legitimate union purpose usapa will present to the court in order for you to laugh your ass off.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Clerk of Court shall enter judgment dismissing
Counts I and III of the complaint and in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II
of the complaint stating US Airline Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach
its duty of fair representation provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose.

It is simple really. A proposal that is not the Nicolau. As long as it does not breach the duty of fair representation what is the legitimate union purpose?


Getting a contract is not valid. You all voted for the MOU removing that excuse.
Because the majority is unhappy is not a valid excuse. usapa has to represent ALL pilots.
Nicolau was not fair has been proven by the judge to not be a valid excuse.
Nicolau used the wrong list has been proven invalid by the MDA pilots. Thank you.

You are convinced you are going to win and are right. You should have this information unless you are just full of crap.

What is that LUP?

 

[nevergiveup]

Since you are so sure about the outcome.

Please post the legitimate union purpose usapa will present to the court in order for you to laugh your ass off.



It is simple really. A proposal that is not the Nicolau. As long as it does not breach the duty of fair representation what is the legitimate union purpose?


Getting a contract is not valid. You all voted for the MOU removing that excuse.
Because the majority is unhappy is not a valid excuse. usapa has to represent ALL pilots.
Nicolau was not fair has been proven by the judge to not be a valid excuse.
Nicolau used the wrong list has been proven invalid by the MDA pilots. Thank you.

You are convinced you are going to win and are right. You should have this information unless you are just full of crap.

What is that LUP?

The LUP is to please APA so they don't staple you like you wanted to do to the AAA furloughed pilots, or do you approve of stapling?

 

[Bill Brasky]

Since you are so sure about the outcome.

Please post the legitimate union purpose usapa will present to the court in order for you to laugh your ass off.



It is simple really. A proposal that is not the Nicolau. As long as it does not breach the duty of fair representation what is the legitimate union purpose?


Getting a contract is not valid. You all voted for the MOU removing that excuse.
Because the majority is unhappy is not a valid excuse. usapa has to represent ALL pilots.
Nicolau was not fair has been proven by the judge to not be a valid excuse.
Nicolau used the wrong list has been proven invalid by the MDA pilots. Thank you.

You are convinced you are going to win and are right. You should have this information unless you are just full of crap.

What is that LUP?

First, you define EXACTLY what is a LUP? Go ahead, do it! You can't because there is NO legal definition. Therefore, those reasons you cite are as good as any. I'm sure we could come up with many more.

Oh, and your bought and paid for judge won't be hearing this one!

By the way, you guys voted away any right to previuos bargaining positions, remember? And you did it by a HUGE margin!

I'm already chuckling at you guys, but I WILL be laughing my a$$ off! The APA won't put up with your crap for long. Count on it!

 

[CallawayGolf]

The LUP is to please APA so they don't staple you like you wanted to do to the AAA furloughed pilots, or do you approve of stapling?

What was the active seniority number position of those furloughed AAA pilots at the time of the SLI?

 

[traderjake]

https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/Home/APAMemberNews/tabid/842/ctl/CategoryView/mid/1267/categoryId/2/News-Digest.aspx


Feburary 22, 2013

APA Board of Directors Special Meeting Includes Visits from USAPA, US Airways Execs

The APA Board of Directors met this week at APA headquarters. On Wednesday and Thursday, the APA National Officers and Board of Directors were joined by the US Airline Pilots Association National Officers and Board of Pilot Representatives. The leadership of the two unions also met with US Airways Chairman and CEO Doug Parker, President Scott Kirby and Executive Vice President, People, Communications and Public Affairs Elise Eberwein for a few hours on Thursday.
Mr. Parker thanked both pilot boards for their support of the merger and acknowledged that one of his tasks as the CEO of the new airline will be "to earn credibility and respect." Mr. Kirby emphasized the operational strengths that the combined airline will possess, including the best domestic network and the best network in Latin America. The pilot representatives in turn highlighted the need to create a new corporate culture that respects and values employee engagement, which the executives acknowledged.
Other notable quotes from Mr. Parker:

• "We intend to look forward as opposed to looking backwards."
  
• "We recognize the problem. The culture is going to change at the new American."
  
• "The new culture will be based on employee engagement, respect and two-way communications."
  
• "Antitrust restrictions limit us to planning as opposed to integrating right now."

Regarding hub/base closures/growth:
"We will have the best domestic network in the country and that will serve to support international growth. We know that we must grow in Asia in order to catch up with Delta and United. Philadelphia and JFK are not mutually exclusive, they serve completely different markets. JFK is primarily origination and destination hub traffic, while Philadelphia is an international connecting "through" market for the rest of the country. JFK's slot restrictions with regard to connecting feed will not allow it to serve as a traditional hub and spoke airport. It has enough origination and destination feed due to its proximity to New York City and New York state. At Boston, Los Angeles, Washington, Chicago and Phoenix we're stronger together now than we were apart. We intend to win market share by stealing back customers from our competitors. With regard to Phoenix, we have a history of knowing how to compete with Southwest."
The APA Board of Directors waived policy to permit the first portion of the discussions with the US Airways executives to be videoed. APA and USAPA will post the video for viewing by our respective members within the next few days. Also, APA and USAPA issued a joint statement on Thursday afternoon affirming support for the merger and for working cooperatively "to represent the best interests of all of our pilots."
Daily recaps of the APA Board's activities were published in this week's Information Hotlines. Click here to read the hotline for Tuesday, Feb. 19, click here to read the hotline for Wednesday, Feb. 20 and click here to read the hotline for Thursday, Feb. 21.


CEO Merger Transition Summary

Click here to review the AMR's Securities and Exchange Commission 8K merger announcement filing, including Exhibit 10.2 (AMR's letter to current CEO Tom Horton).
Analysts' Merger Commentary

Morningstar, Basili Alukos:

• The Delta-Northwest, United-Continental, and Southwest-AirTran mergers preceded the one between AMR and US Airways announced today, and we believe this latest merger concludes the end of the consolidation era for the domestic airline industry. Now, the top four carriers control around 82% of the domestic market, versus about the top nine airlines in 2000.
  
• We think this merger is the best strategic fit for both companies because it cures each other's ills.
  
• US Airways is essentially a small domestic carrier and gains a network to compete with the largest airlines, while American benefits from US Airways' lean operating system and better access to the East Coast.

GimmeCredit.com, Vicki Bryan:

• This was good news indeed, though hardly a surprise. US Airways CEO Doug Parker already had convinced just about everybody else over the past year, it seemed, that he and his team can buy an airline several times larger and cobble together a winning combination which will prove rewarding for employees, creditors, investors, and yes, flyers not too far down the road. He now has to deliver what has been promised, but he's already done that before too and he's been doing it as CEO for many years longer versus all of his peers--and their predecessors.
  
• He even managed to win over AMR's long embattled unions to secure their support for the merger as well as post-merger preliminary labor agreements in just a couple of months early in 2012--a feat AMR's management team couldn't accomplish in a decade.
  
• His convincing strategy for this merger is to effectively optimize the combination of routes, fleet, and labor to grow revenue and profits. The East-coast and West-coast footprints look to be stronger, and the limited network overlap between the two carriers should mitigate obstacles to regulatory approval. Much of the groundwork has been done with AMR's creditors and employees already on board.

Bob Crandall's Thoughts on the AA/US Airways Merger

Last week during a Bloomberg News interview, former CEO and president of American Airlines Bob Crandall provided his thoughts on the American/US Airways merger announcement. The following are excerpts of Mr. Crandall's comments during that interview.

• "American will be a bigger and broader American Airlines, with more aircraft, more people, more destinations, more routes and more options for customers."
  
• "My blood runs red, white and blue. I spent a lot of years at American Airlines. But I think the outcome here will be favorable to the companies, favorable to the creditors, favorable for the customers and in the long run, favorable for both American and US Airways as well."
  
• "The American/US Air combination will create a third major competitor in a big network business."
  
• "Now you've got two big airlines [Delta and United], the combination of American and US Airways will create a third one. So you'll have three comprehensive network competitors across the United States. Three is better than two, it creates a third competitor."

Click here to listen to the interview.

 

[cleardirect]

First, you define EXACTLY what is a LUP? Go ahead, do it! You can't because there is NO legal definition. Therefore, those reasons you cite are as good as any. I'm sure we could come up with many more.

Oh, and your bought and paid for judge won't be hearing this one!

By the way, you guys voted away any right to previuos bargaining positions, remember? And you did it by a HUGE margin!

I'm already chuckling at you guys, but I WILL be laughing my a$$ off! The APA won't put up with your crap for long. Count on it!

If you need to know the definition of LUP I suggest you contract the usapa lawyer.

Two different federal judges have used the term legitimate union purpose. So there is obviously a legal definition.

" I'm sure we could come up with many more."

OK smart guy. Go ahead. what are they? I asked the question time for you to answer.

What is the legitimate union purpose for not using the Nicolau award?



BTW it will be the east crap the APA will not be putting up with. Remember it is usapa (east pilots) that are running the union and making the decisions. All of the nonsense that has happened, laid right at the feet of east pilots. The APA knows the west has been along for the ride and what the east pilots have done. Why do you think all the panic for you east pilots about the APA becoming the majority? You are worried that the APA will treat you like you have treated the west.

Now back to my question.

What is usapa's legitimate union purpose?

 

[luvthe9]

I'm already chuckling at you guys, but I WILL be laughing my a$$ off! The APA won't put up with your crap for long. Count on it!

Right on the APA is well aware of the west antics.

 

[luvthe9]

You're a tool. SEE YOU IN COURT. Point taken?

Bring it on boy, were waiting.